Comments on: EU students in UK universities http://www.boris-johnson.com/2010/03/22/eu-students-in-uk-universities/ Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:46:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Maxtusko http://www.boris-johnson.com/2010/03/22/eu-students-in-uk-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-31277 Maxtusko Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:33:54 +0000 http://www.boris-johnson.com/?p=3404#comment-31277 The fact is that EU does nothing for EU students who want to study at universities in other EU countries. I know it from my own experience because for me it is impossible to get any financial support from EU even from my own country when I want to study at some university in UK. All I can rely on is just student loan from UK. I need to work for covering my student expencies. If you think student loan from UK is free for me, you are not correct either. I have to work while I will be studying at the UK university and therefore I will be paying taxes through my work. Any other excuses? ;-) The fact is that EU does nothing for EU students who want to study at universities in other EU countries. I know it from my own experience because for me it is impossible to get any financial support from EU even from my own country when I want to study at some university in UK.
All I can rely on is just student loan from UK. I need to work for covering my student expencies.
If you think student loan from UK is free for me, you are not correct either. I have to work while I will be studying at the UK university and therefore I will be paying taxes through my work. Any other excuses? ;-)

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]]> By: EU student http://www.boris-johnson.com/2010/03/22/eu-students-in-uk-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-30172 EU student Tue, 02 Nov 2010 03:12:47 +0000 http://www.boris-johnson.com/?p=3404#comment-30172 All the UK students, who have decided to obtain a degree in another EU state, have the same rights as the indigenous inhabitants of that state. Any British student, who wishes to study in Athens for example does not have to pay tuition fees at all. All the UK students, who have decided to obtain a degree in another EU state, have the same rights as the indigenous inhabitants of that state. Any British student, who wishes to study in Athens for example does not have to pay tuition fees at all.

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]]> By: V Zute http://www.boris-johnson.com/2010/03/22/eu-students-in-uk-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-30126 V Zute Sat, 23 Oct 2010 23:14:55 +0000 http://www.boris-johnson.com/?p=3404#comment-30126 Oh, come on!!! Babies, pour little babies of London are buried on the streets of the city. EU Students - they killing our babies!!! Let's get these EU students booted out. Britain for British! ...just listen to yourselves. I'm utterly disgusted at the article and some of the comments. First of all. Yes, the system has flaws and students leaving the country are taken on a fair word of them declaring their incomes and once exceeded threshold voluntarily repaying those back to SLC. Obviously if you looking at monitoring and chasing all these loans (and to be fair, there isn't a great deal of them. many stay and repay loans via PAYE), then yes - SLC has to step their game up. But is it students fault that the government obviously too busy with much more demanding issues such as wider economy and state welfare rather then chasing few poles in the fields up for their loans. Let's be honest, if they are leaving... obviously something hasn't gone right. Moreover, many people here sit and chat rubbish about supposedly all EU students ripping the country off and then enjoying British tax-payers money back at home in comfort. This is total rubbish. Did you know that every single EU country has it's own repayment threshold which is based on an average graduated income specific to this country? I bet you thought it's same as in UK. And then I see all this attitude coming from people who has benefited from education in the past and now think it is their responsibility to limit numbers of people trying to do the same. I mean, are you serious? Shall I reming who will be paying to pensions for God's sake!!! Do you want them to be dumb and unskilled (which would obviously more convenient for some of you) or do you want them to be enjoying what they do and how they earn money and in that respect paying your pensions? Think about it! Think carefully. Let's be real. The system for student support is not perfect, far from being so. For example, my GF who is studying now...she got her maintenance loan and the lot. I'm asking her, what are you spending all this money on? She wants to buy a car (be real, not a new one. Were talking about £500 old banger. Still - a car), she wants to buy cloth, she wants to go out. Basically live a normal life. Now my GF is not a type to go out and spend an entire loan on buzzing and cloths. She is saving up for a holiday. But then I see some other students who get exactly same money, coming from the same pocket and they spend it in about the same way. The difference is... they don't really achieve much academically. Now, I know some people are more academically friendly the others. But I thought this type of support is in respect that yes, you working hard, you studying hard... apparently if you continue to do so, you should be doing well in your life, i.e. earn enough money to repay all these loans, which is fair enough. But I don't see how the whole system just ignores academic results. Why is it that hard working student who can maintain his part time job with excellent academic results is given exactly same level of support as a half-drunken, not shaved idiot who has forgot to turn up at the final exams? Now, I know it's not my business about how students should spend their loans. I agree. But I think this problem is much more serious problem then few thousands poles or french or germans who has forgot to repay their loans or in fact never got to the point of repaying them (income-wise). Why there is no financial advice with these loans? I mean I understand the whole private banking non-advice regulations now, coming from FSA. I agree with them. But this is tax payers money, I think we HAVE to advice what this money is all about and more importantly WHAT IS THIS MONEY FOR, EXACTLY!? I think our students are getting all this money well too easy and the worst thing is - nobody is telling them what to do with all this money (apart from TV commercials). Let's be honest, most of them are never being given such amount of money just like that. I think this should be discussed and articles have to be written about. Not xenophobic, teenage-like maximized rubbish above. Thank you. Oh, come on!!!
Babies, pour little babies of London are buried on the streets of the city.
EU Students – they killing our babies!!! Let’s get these EU students booted out. Britain for British!
…just listen to yourselves. I’m utterly disgusted at the article and some of the comments.
First of all. Yes, the system has flaws and students leaving the country are taken on a fair word of them declaring their incomes and once exceeded threshold voluntarily repaying those back to SLC. Obviously if you looking at monitoring and chasing all these loans (and to be fair, there isn’t a great deal of them. many stay and repay loans via PAYE), then yes – SLC has to step their game up. But is it students fault that the government obviously too busy with much more demanding issues such as wider economy and state welfare rather then chasing few poles in the fields up for their loans. Let’s be honest, if they are leaving… obviously something hasn’t gone right.
Moreover, many people here sit and chat rubbish about supposedly all EU students ripping the country off and then enjoying British tax-payers money back at home in comfort. This is total rubbish. Did you know that every single EU country has it’s own repayment threshold which is based on an average graduated income specific to this country? I bet you thought it’s same as in UK.
And then I see all this attitude coming from people who has benefited from education in the past and now think it is their responsibility to limit numbers of people trying to do the same. I mean, are you serious? Shall I reming who will be paying to pensions for God’s sake!!! Do you want them to be dumb and unskilled (which would obviously more convenient for some of you) or do you want them to be enjoying what they do and how they earn money and in that respect paying your pensions? Think about it! Think carefully.
Let’s be real. The system for student support is not perfect, far from being so. For example, my GF who is studying now…she got her maintenance loan and the lot. I’m asking her, what are you spending all this money on? She wants to buy a car (be real, not a new one. Were talking about £500 old banger. Still – a car), she wants to buy cloth, she wants to go out. Basically live a normal life. Now my GF is not a type to go out and spend an entire loan on buzzing and cloths. She is saving up for a holiday. But then I see some other students who get exactly same money, coming from the same pocket and they spend it in about the same way. The difference is… they don’t really achieve much academically. Now, I know some people are more academically friendly the others. But I thought this type of support is in respect that yes, you working hard, you studying hard… apparently if you continue to do so, you should be doing well in your life, i.e. earn enough money to repay all these loans, which is fair enough. But I don’t see how the whole system just ignores academic results. Why is it that hard working student who can maintain his part time job with excellent academic results is given exactly same level of support as a half-drunken, not shaved idiot who has forgot to turn up at the final exams?
Now, I know it’s not my business about how students should spend their loans. I agree. But I think this problem is much more serious problem then few thousands poles or french or germans who has forgot to repay their loans or in fact never got to the point of repaying them (income-wise).
Why there is no financial advice with these loans? I mean I understand the whole private banking non-advice regulations now, coming from FSA. I agree with them. But this is tax payers money, I think we HAVE to advice what this money is all about and more importantly WHAT IS THIS MONEY FOR, EXACTLY!? I think our students are getting all this money well too easy and the worst thing is – nobody is telling them what to do with all this money (apart from TV commercials). Let’s be honest, most of them are never being given such amount of money just like that.
I think this should be discussed and articles have to be written about.
Not xenophobic, teenage-like maximized rubbish above.
Thank you.

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]]> By: S Timperley http://www.boris-johnson.com/2010/03/22/eu-students-in-uk-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-30032 S Timperley Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:48:56 +0000 http://www.boris-johnson.com/?p=3404#comment-30032 What is the mechanism for EU students to repay the loans they have taken out for their tution fees from the UK government? We have some French friends whose daughter has completed her degree in the UK but does not intend repaying the loan. She is in Canada at the moment working as a translator but intends returning to France next year. What incentive has France to chase up these loans through PAYE or other means? What is the mechanism for EU students to repay the loans they have taken out for their tution fees from the UK government? We have some French friends whose daughter has completed her degree in the UK but does not intend repaying the loan. She is in Canada at the moment working as a translator but intends returning to France next year. What incentive has France to chase up these loans through PAYE or other means?

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]]> By: Rob Hardy http://www.boris-johnson.com/2010/03/22/eu-students-in-uk-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-29686 Rob Hardy Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:13:46 +0000 http://www.boris-johnson.com/?p=3404#comment-29686 "London babies being buried in pauper graves" ? In one of the richest cities in the World! I think more an indictment of the iniquities of 21st century capitalism than a serious comment on the extent of our budget contributions to the EU Boris. “London babies being buried in pauper graves” ? In one of the richest cities in the World! I think more an indictment of the iniquities of 21st century capitalism than a serious comment on the extent of our budget contributions to the EU Boris.

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]]> By: Christoph http://www.boris-johnson.com/2010/03/22/eu-students-in-uk-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-29672 Christoph Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:06:53 +0000 http://www.boris-johnson.com/?p=3404#comment-29672 Firstly. There have been a few incorrect points made here. Any Eu student traveling to another EU country to study is entitled to the same fees and access to finding as a resident of the country which they choose to study in. This was introduced as a result of a case in the European Courts. As regards funding for maintenance most countries view this as a form of social advantage rather than a form of social assistance which is a form of grant and therefore discretionary to a point unless it is otherwise prescribed in law. Resoluto jure concedentis resolvitur jus concessum. When the right of the grantor is extinguished the right granted is extinguished. A gratia. By grace, not by right.I do not believe the UK are currently affording anything beyond Fees with regards to education tourism. As you are all aware the notion of nationality has been totally diluted by becoming a member of the EU. Governments are forbidden from legislating in favor of any nationality within the european Union. Eu governments have therefore had to come up with another mechanism to avoid discriminating based on Nationality in order to ration what is a limited resource. This mechanism is known as residency. We are then faced with the situation where UK Citizens become foreigners in there own country when authorities take a simplistic approach to prescribing residency status. The Bologna Process This is an intergovernmental initiative which aims to create a European Higher Education Area (EHEA) by 2010 and to promote the European system of higher education removing the obstacles to student mobility across Europe. Eu Treaty rights enshrine freedom of movement in terms of work. This can often conflict with education. By moving between countries you often surrender your residency rights and many of the associated benefits associated with that. Your nationality secures you very little apart from protection via your embassy in a foreign land. The question which Boris poses is an clearly an economic one. But other questions follow this including are we integrating properly into Europe. William Hague noted in a recent speech that Britons presence in the lower echelons of the European parliament were severely lacking. One way to remedy this would be to liberalize the monopoly UK universities hold by providing maintenance to UK students going abroad. Currently none is available so therefore of course UK Students are not taking up places in European Universities. The host country may give equal access in terms of fees but the deal breaker has to me supporting the student via student loans and maintenance grants while abroad. I feel this would be a much better way of balancing the books. Lets export thousands of students who will integrate and become the ambassadors and diplomats of tomorrow. The clear problem is who benefits from the education of a third level student in the end. The host country? The country where they end up working? The country which subsidized there education? I think the answers are two diverse. Over the lifetime of the student all 3 could and will benefit in varying degrees. Lets encourage Students to study abroad and leave the rest to chance. Keep it Simple. Firstly. There have been a few incorrect points made here. Any Eu student traveling to another EU country to study is entitled to the same fees and access to finding as a resident of the country which they choose to study in. This was introduced as a result of a case in the European Courts.

As regards funding for maintenance most countries view this as a form of social advantage rather than a form of social assistance which is a form of grant and therefore discretionary to a point unless it is otherwise prescribed in law. Resoluto jure concedentis resolvitur jus concessum. When the right of the grantor is extinguished the right granted is extinguished. A gratia. By grace, not by right.I do not believe the UK are currently affording anything beyond Fees with regards to education tourism.

As you are all aware the notion of nationality has been totally diluted by becoming a member of the EU. Governments are forbidden from legislating in favor of any nationality within the european Union. Eu governments have therefore had to come up with another mechanism to avoid discriminating based on Nationality in order to ration what is a limited resource. This mechanism is known as residency. We are then faced with the situation where UK Citizens become foreigners in there own country when authorities take a simplistic approach to prescribing residency status.

The Bologna Process This is an intergovernmental initiative which aims to create a European Higher Education Area (EHEA) by 2010 and to promote the European system of higher education removing the obstacles to student mobility across Europe.

Eu Treaty rights enshrine freedom of movement in terms of work. This can often conflict with education. By moving between countries you often surrender your residency rights and many of the associated benefits associated with that. Your nationality secures you very little apart from protection via your embassy in a foreign land.

The question which Boris poses is an clearly an economic one. But other questions follow this including are we integrating properly into Europe. William Hague noted in a recent speech that Britons presence in the lower echelons of the European parliament were severely lacking. One way to remedy this would be to liberalize the monopoly UK universities hold by providing maintenance to UK students going abroad. Currently none is available so therefore of course UK Students are not taking up places in European Universities. The host country may give equal access in terms of fees but the deal breaker has to me supporting the student via student loans and maintenance grants while abroad. I feel this would be a much better way of balancing the books. Lets export thousands of students who will integrate and become the ambassadors and diplomats of tomorrow. The clear problem is who benefits from the education of a third level student in the end. The host country? The country where they end up working? The country which subsidized there education? I think the answers are two diverse. Over the lifetime of the student all 3 could and will benefit in varying degrees. Lets encourage Students to study abroad and leave the rest to chance. Keep it Simple.

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]]> By: David http://www.boris-johnson.com/2010/03/22/eu-students-in-uk-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-28381 David Wed, 07 Apr 2010 00:39:17 +0000 http://www.boris-johnson.com/?p=3404#comment-28381 Very nice website I will study it. Your suggestions were very helpful, Thanks! Very nice website I will study it. Your suggestions were very helpful, Thanks!

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]]> By: Isabelle http://www.boris-johnson.com/2010/03/22/eu-students-in-uk-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-28378 Isabelle Tue, 06 Apr 2010 17:41:35 +0000 http://www.boris-johnson.com/?p=3404#comment-28378 You are really on to something here Boris. I am applying to read medicine in the UK, but am also looking in to applying to study medicine in the EU, due to the fierce and confusing competition for places here. However, all of my research is showing me that while an EU student can come here and obtain a loan from the UK student loan company, I can't get a loan from the UK body to study in the EU, there is no corresponding body in Ireland for example, and you need to be resident for a period of time prior to taking up a place in order to obtain access to Irish maintenance grants. This seems to me to be the real reason that we have a huge influx, but not too many UK students going abroad - we offer the EU students funding, but other EU countries don't make the same offer in return to us, and we fail to support our own UK students studying in the EU. Its a horrible catch 22 that means you can only do it if you are minted! You are really on to something here Boris. I am applying to read medicine in the UK, but am also looking in to applying to study medicine in the EU, due to the fierce and confusing competition for places here.
However, all of my research is showing me that while an EU student can come here and obtain a loan from the UK student loan company, I can’t get a loan from the UK body to study in the EU, there is no corresponding body in Ireland for example, and you need to be resident for a period of time prior to taking up a place in order to obtain access to Irish maintenance grants.
This seems to me to be the real reason that we have a huge influx, but not too many UK students going abroad – we offer the EU students funding, but other EU countries don’t make the same offer in return to us, and we fail to support our own UK students studying in the EU. Its a horrible catch 22 that means you can only do it if you are minted!

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