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		<title>By: Alberto Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alberto Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boris, I am not saying you should pull out. But you need to learn the lessons from Vietnam. The Taliban do not walk around wearing badges saying who they are. If you kill innocent civilians while you occupy this country - this will only strengthen their resolve. The nation is very tribal and I cannot see us installing democracy down the barrel of a gun. The solution is never going to be easy, however, watching funerals every week is not a price worth paying. I know we are probably duty bound to help the Americans, but this war does&#039;nt need to be so open - whereby our troops are slaughtered by IED&#039;s. There should be more covert operations, preferably airbourne - and a end to running commentaries on the news stations. Afghan security should also try and assist with more covert operations. The enemy is invisible and defeating them seems impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boris, I am not saying you should pull out. But you need to learn the lessons from Vietnam. The Taliban do not walk around wearing badges saying who they are. If you kill innocent civilians while you occupy this country &#8211; this will only strengthen their resolve. The nation is very tribal and I cannot see us installing democracy down the barrel of a gun. The solution is never going to be easy, however, watching funerals every week is not a price worth paying. I know we are probably duty bound to help the Americans, but this war does&#8217;nt need to be so open &#8211; whereby our troops are slaughtered by IED&#8217;s. There should be more covert operations, preferably airbourne &#8211; and a end to running commentaries on the news stations. Afghan security should also try and assist with more covert operations. The enemy is invisible and defeating them seems impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Shut That-Door MP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Shut That-Door MP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I&#039;m with Dame something ( roll eyes ).

If there was a comment rating option for Boris&#039;s articles, anti-Afghanistan war people would have voted this pro-Afghanistan war article down and have it banished to the bin! 

Mr Shut That-Door MP

The Right Honest Honourable Member of The Parliament
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m with Dame something ( roll eyes ).</p>
<p>If there was a comment rating option for Boris&#8217;s articles, anti-Afghanistan war people would have voted this pro-Afghanistan war article down and have it banished to the bin! </p>
<p>Mr Shut That-Door MP</p>
<p>The Right Honest Honourable Member of The Parliament<br />
OBE, CBE, MBE and KGB awarded</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-26744&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dame Katherine Ginseng&lt;/a&gt;: it does not irretrievably hide the comment - it does give the option to click and read.  Websites such as those of major broadsheet newspapers like The Telegraph do not allow comments immediately;  they go through a screening process and I speak from experience.  The rating option is a harmless extra application we believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-26744" rel="nofollow">Dame Katherine Ginseng</a>: it does not irretrievably hide the comment &#8211; it does give the option to click and read.  Websites such as those of major broadsheet newspapers like The Telegraph do not allow comments immediately;  they go through a screening process and I speak from experience.  The rating option is a harmless extra application we believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dame Katherine Ginseng</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dame Katherine Ginseng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Evening,

I would like to register my comment here, if I may?

It has caught my attention that The Mayor of London B. Johnson Esq. has installed his website with a new comment rating system which is very high-tech indeed. Unfortunately, I am unsure if it was a good idea as this comment rating system makes me wonder if:

- Only comments which were awarded some ratings are worthy ones and  vice versa?

- Comments with low ratings are evil ones which need to be removed from view?

- Certainly, commenters are entitled to their views whether we agree with them or not, are they not?

- Hence,  all comments should be displayed ON this page equally, should they be not?

- Hiding any comments with low ratings is equivalent to moving them to the trash bin, is it not?

- Doing that is equivalent to taping the mouth of a human being with a whole roll of duct tape because of his views, is it not?

- Which amounts to a breach of freedom of speech, does it not?

- Certainly, some commenters do not wish their comments be awarded any kinds of ratings and should be able to declare their wish at the end of their comments, should they be not?

I, hereby, do not wish this comment of mine to attract any kinds of ratings nonsense. 

Yours sincerely,

Dame Katherine Ginseng</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hidden due to low <a href="http://wealthynetizen.com/wordpress-plugin-comment-rating/" title="Rated by other readers">comment rating</a>. <a href="javascript:crSwitchDisplay('ckhide-26744');" title="Click to see comment">Click here to see</a>.</p><div id='ckhide-26744' style="display:none; opacity:0.4;filter:alpha(opacity=40) !important;"><p>Good Evening,</p>
<p>I would like to register my comment here, if I may?</p>
<p>It has caught my attention that The Mayor of London B. Johnson Esq. has installed his website with a new comment rating system which is very high-tech indeed. Unfortunately, I am unsure if it was a good idea as this comment rating system makes me wonder if:</p>
<p>- Only comments which were awarded some ratings are worthy ones and  vice versa?</p>
<p>- Comments with low ratings are evil ones which need to be removed from view?</p>
<p>- Certainly, commenters are entitled to their views whether we agree with them or not, are they not?</p>
<p>- Hence,  all comments should be displayed ON this page equally, should they be not?</p>
<p>- Hiding any comments with low ratings is equivalent to moving them to the trash bin, is it not?</p>
<p>- Doing that is equivalent to taping the mouth of a human being with a whole roll of duct tape because of his views, is it not?</p>
<p>- Which amounts to a breach of freedom of speech, does it not?</p>
<p>- Certainly, some commenters do not wish their comments be awarded any kinds of ratings and should be able to declare their wish at the end of their comments, should they be not?</p>
<p>I, hereby, do not wish this comment of mine to attract any kinds of ratings nonsense. </p>
<p>Yours sincerely,</p>
<p>Dame Katherine Ginseng</p>
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		<title>By: janina davison-forder</title>
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		<dc:creator>janina davison-forder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly rest in peace to all those who have died

i think in my mind it should not be
&#039;we should not abandon Afghanistan&#039;
but
&#039;we should not of entered Afghanistan&#039;
This is only my view but.....

i cant quite understand why we are sending many of our young men and women out to die for a reason other than to protect our country.
these soldiers are all sons daughters mothers and fathers.
all of these family&#039;s are now missing a a member.

in the world wars we fought for king and country to protect this land of hope and glory.
now we are sending out many a man and women to fight in a war against an enemy with no conscience who use tactics which are more than below the belt.
Not only this but we are on enemy territory so we spend so much money on teams of specially trained men to scout the area&#039;s and make them safe before we can even send our soldiers in.
I doubt anyone who joined up were expecting to be placed in this sort of situation where we are not fighting for england but for another country and their well being.

Fair enough the human rights argument where these people are being treated like they are nothing does make you believe that we are doing the right thing.
But apart from us and the americans who else are fighting for these people?
How have we come to be involved in a battle for a distant country when they are not attacking us?
If you take other countries such as china and japan they have such a large population and could have this war over and done with alot faster than we could.
we have our heads of goverment such as gordon brown or previously tony blair and americas bush and obama sending out troops to fight this war....
but how does this really affect them?
Do we see them on the battlefield fighting for this cause or do we see them handing out orders like sweeties not thinking twice of what this is doing to these brave people and their families.
warfare not only worries loved ones sick but can easily also destroy the mind of the soldiers themselves!

People say that we can stop terrorists etc by fighting this war but at the end of the day terrorists are not confined to a country but the world.
if someone gets an idea and finds enough easily influenced people looking for a cause they can turn them into terrorists with ease.
i mean we have people arrested in our own country who either have the ideas in their heads, documentation, weaponry to commit such a vile act, and many people who are preachng this way of thinking to large groups of people.
There is no way we can stop terrorism full stop by gaining control over a place such as this.

i feel that the underlying cause for this battle is control of terratory to have better access to oil, somewhere further out to place troops and reserves should we actually go to war, and whatever other hidden reasons that the goverment may have.
(unfortunetly our poor solders are facing death for this)
disagree with me if you must but this is only my view .

think, with troops armoury and tanks etc out there should there be a &#039;world war 3&#039; we are at an advantage as we dont have to spend time getting our first troops out into the war zone , instead we already have the first wave much further inland ....well it is true .
The reason this war is lasting so long is so (i believe) that we can keep our troops out there as long as possible to keep our saftey net in place.
By rights we could of won tis cause alot sooner but we are taking our time for a reason.
(my apolageis to any troops out there who believe differently, if you are fighting for this cause in belief it is soley human rights etc and truly want to fight and die for that cause then i wish you all the luck in the world )

# Back many years ago the king would be the one leading the army for a cause he believed in and would be willing to die for this.

# do we see any of our leaders do the same?

# we are not fighting and dying for our own welfare.But that of another country.

# in the world wars everyone knew exactly what they were fighting for.

# I doubt half the involved countries population know the reasons now.

# in the world wars if we were not fighting our civilians would die/ be under control of another country / ruler and propbably loose the power of free speech and free will.
Is this the case now?

# even those who are ot directly involved in the war are sufferng, losing family friends colleauges etc.

i do not agree with this war, in fact i do agree with war full stop.
in this day and age we should know better than to use violence like this. which includes those at the source of the problem not just those fighting to stop them.
how long will we continue to mame and kill our own race before we are happy, we dont see this in the animal world and unless your slightly less than compus mentus you have no reason to kill others for food either!
Why are we so addicted to power and control of both land and people?
Why can we not just live along side each other in peace is it so hard ?

But then as in my pericles post we just cant be happy without conflict sadly. Maybe if humans actually were able to use the whole of minds instead of the little we are able to at the moment we might think twice and work out that we should just try and be happy and take life easy and cause ourselves as little stress as possible.

we hang our heads and start to sigh,
we shed tears in fear we cry,
for our loved ones who are sent to die,
under gunfire and bloodred skies,
we watch the time just pass on by,
we will never know but we can try,
to imagine what its really like,
for those soldiers who stand and fight,
we hold their hands in dreams at night,
and wish each day they are alright,
that each of them are sleeping tight,
we send our love straight from our hearts,
for those who lie awake in dark,
and cry each day they remain apart,
we wish you luck each female and man,
who fight this war
on forgien land 
in towns rough terrain or,
surrounded by sand
although not everyone&#039;s sure 
of the cause
we just cant understand

by jdf

p.s

.....we hope you all ok out there.........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly rest in peace to all those who have died</p>
<p>i think in my mind it should not be<br />
&#8216;we should not abandon Afghanistan&#8217;<br />
but<br />
&#8216;we should not of entered Afghanistan&#8217;<br />
This is only my view but&#8230;..</p>
<p>i cant quite understand why we are sending many of our young men and women out to die for a reason other than to protect our country.<br />
these soldiers are all sons daughters mothers and fathers.<br />
all of these family&#8217;s are now missing a a member.</p>
<p>in the world wars we fought for king and country to protect this land of hope and glory.<br />
now we are sending out many a man and women to fight in a war against an enemy with no conscience who use tactics which are more than below the belt.<br />
Not only this but we are on enemy territory so we spend so much money on teams of specially trained men to scout the area&#8217;s and make them safe before we can even send our soldiers in.<br />
I doubt anyone who joined up were expecting to be placed in this sort of situation where we are not fighting for england but for another country and their well being.</p>
<p>Fair enough the human rights argument where these people are being treated like they are nothing does make you believe that we are doing the right thing.<br />
But apart from us and the americans who else are fighting for these people?<br />
How have we come to be involved in a battle for a distant country when they are not attacking us?<br />
If you take other countries such as china and japan they have such a large population and could have this war over and done with alot faster than we could.<br />
we have our heads of goverment such as gordon brown or previously tony blair and americas bush and obama sending out troops to fight this war&#8230;.<br />
but how does this really affect them?<br />
Do we see them on the battlefield fighting for this cause or do we see them handing out orders like sweeties not thinking twice of what this is doing to these brave people and their families.<br />
warfare not only worries loved ones sick but can easily also destroy the mind of the soldiers themselves!</p>
<p>People say that we can stop terrorists etc by fighting this war but at the end of the day terrorists are not confined to a country but the world.<br />
if someone gets an idea and finds enough easily influenced people looking for a cause they can turn them into terrorists with ease.<br />
i mean we have people arrested in our own country who either have the ideas in their heads, documentation, weaponry to commit such a vile act, and many people who are preachng this way of thinking to large groups of people.<br />
There is no way we can stop terrorism full stop by gaining control over a place such as this.</p>
<p>i feel that the underlying cause for this battle is control of terratory to have better access to oil, somewhere further out to place troops and reserves should we actually go to war, and whatever other hidden reasons that the goverment may have.<br />
(unfortunetly our poor solders are facing death for this)<br />
disagree with me if you must but this is only my view .</p>
<p>think, with troops armoury and tanks etc out there should there be a &#8216;world war 3&#8242; we are at an advantage as we dont have to spend time getting our first troops out into the war zone , instead we already have the first wave much further inland &#8230;.well it is true .<br />
The reason this war is lasting so long is so (i believe) that we can keep our troops out there as long as possible to keep our saftey net in place.<br />
By rights we could of won tis cause alot sooner but we are taking our time for a reason.<br />
(my apolageis to any troops out there who believe differently, if you are fighting for this cause in belief it is soley human rights etc and truly want to fight and die for that cause then i wish you all the luck in the world )</p>
<p># Back many years ago the king would be the one leading the army for a cause he believed in and would be willing to die for this.</p>
<p># do we see any of our leaders do the same?</p>
<p># we are not fighting and dying for our own welfare.But that of another country.</p>
<p># in the world wars everyone knew exactly what they were fighting for.</p>
<p># I doubt half the involved countries population know the reasons now.</p>
<p># in the world wars if we were not fighting our civilians would die/ be under control of another country / ruler and propbably loose the power of free speech and free will.<br />
Is this the case now?</p>
<p># even those who are ot directly involved in the war are sufferng, losing family friends colleauges etc.</p>
<p>i do not agree with this war, in fact i do agree with war full stop.<br />
in this day and age we should know better than to use violence like this. which includes those at the source of the problem not just those fighting to stop them.<br />
how long will we continue to mame and kill our own race before we are happy, we dont see this in the animal world and unless your slightly less than compus mentus you have no reason to kill others for food either!<br />
Why are we so addicted to power and control of both land and people?<br />
Why can we not just live along side each other in peace is it so hard ?</p>
<p>But then as in my pericles post we just cant be happy without conflict sadly. Maybe if humans actually were able to use the whole of minds instead of the little we are able to at the moment we might think twice and work out that we should just try and be happy and take life easy and cause ourselves as little stress as possible.</p>
<p>we hang our heads and start to sigh,<br />
we shed tears in fear we cry,<br />
for our loved ones who are sent to die,<br />
under gunfire and bloodred skies,<br />
we watch the time just pass on by,<br />
we will never know but we can try,<br />
to imagine what its really like,<br />
for those soldiers who stand and fight,<br />
we hold their hands in dreams at night,<br />
and wish each day they are alright,<br />
that each of them are sleeping tight,<br />
we send our love straight from our hearts,<br />
for those who lie awake in dark,<br />
and cry each day they remain apart,<br />
we wish you luck each female and man,<br />
who fight this war<br />
on forgien land<br />
in towns rough terrain or,<br />
surrounded by sand<br />
although not everyone&#8217;s sure<br />
of the cause<br />
we just cant understand</p>
<p>by jdf</p>
<p>p.s</p>
<p>&#8230;..we hope you all ok out there&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bach</title>
		<link>http://www.boris-johnson.com/2009/11/09/we-should-not-abandon-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-26731</link>
		<dc:creator>Bach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can British troops stay put in Afghanistan and carry on fighting, sacrificing their lives for nothing when their Labour government hasn&#039;t even really wanted to support them?

&quot; Four ex-military chiefs told Gordon Brown on Friday 6.11.2009 that  the Armed Forces &quot; felt he has never really been on their side and they have not had his support &quot;. 

Other EU&#039;s NATO member countries don&#039;t even want to get involved in this aimless war.

Read more at http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/campaigns/our_boys/2720283/Prime-Minister-Gordon-Brown-couldnt-even-get-our-name-right.html

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&quot; David Miliband lashes the Tories for picking Polish allies with shadowy wartime histories. Yet he is silent about a Labour hero who betrayed THIS country.

UNION giant Jack Jones was dubbed the most powerful man in Britain during the strike-happy 1970s that brought the country to its knees. Now we know he WAS a paid KGB agent. Say something, Milly. &quot;

( Trevor Kavanagh, Political Editor, The Sun newspaper 9.11.09 )
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&quot; SURVIVE? NO, WE&#039;D THRIVE OUTSIDE E.U &quot;
by Trevor Kavanagh, Political Editor, The Sun, 9.11.09
http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/media/2009/11/the-sun-trevor-kavanagh-survive-no-wed-thrive-outside-eu.html

... There will only be one question - IN or OUT http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119360  . And if the polls are to be believed, only one answer. 

If Britain decided to quit, it would shake the foundations of the European dream and put the whole undemocratic enterprise at risk.

Brussels will make it as difficult as possible to quit. But no treaty is unbreakable.

Can we survive outside the EU? We should do better than that.

A new publication &quot; TEN YEARS ON - BRITAIN WITHOUT THE EUROPEAN UNION &quot; describes how the unshackled UK would thrive as an independent nation. 

Threats of boycott are just bluff. As a net importer, they need our markets just  as much as we need theirs. The book, published by The Taxpayers&#039; Alliance, describes how our economy would be liberated from EU waste, fraud and red tape. Potential savings are immense. For a start, we would stop subsidising the grotesque Common Agricultural Policy which cost UK taxpayers £10billion this year. Another £3billion is swallowed  by The Common Fisheries Policy. Europe&#039;s crazy VAT fraud carousel costs £80billion a year.

Not only would we shed these costs, we would be free to trade toe to toe in world markets without the EU wagging its willy, I mean its finger under our noses. The book explains how Brussels meddles in every nook and cranny of our daily lives - from our courts and prisons to health and safety, from immigration to the amount of water used to flushed your smelly toilets.

Some EU states - not least Germany - are beginning to buckle under the strain of keeping this lumbering giant on its feet. &quot; If you trade something, make something, sell something, police something, transport something, grow something, burn something, bury something, BRUSSELS has a say in it, &quot; says the book&#039;s author, Dr Lee Rotherham.

Like a copy?  The Sun newspaper&#039;s readers and everybody else are very welcomed to order one FREE from the website http://www.greatEUdebate.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can British troops stay put in Afghanistan and carry on fighting, sacrificing their lives for nothing when their Labour government hasn&#8217;t even really wanted to support them?</p>
<p>&#8221; Four ex-military chiefs told Gordon Brown on Friday 6.11.2009 that  the Armed Forces &#8221; felt he has never really been on their side and they have not had his support &#8220;. </p>
<p>Other EU&#8217;s NATO member countries don&#8217;t even want to get involved in this aimless war.</p>
<p>Read more at <a href="http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/campaigns/our_boys/2720283/Prime-Minister-Gordon-Brown-couldnt-even-get-our-name-right.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/campaigns/our_boys/2720283/Prime-Minister-Gordon-Brown-couldnt-even-get-our-name-right.html</a></p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
&#8221; David Miliband lashes the Tories for picking Polish allies with shadowy wartime histories. Yet he is silent about a Labour hero who betrayed THIS country.</p>
<p>UNION giant Jack Jones was dubbed the most powerful man in Britain during the strike-happy 1970s that brought the country to its knees. Now we know he WAS a paid KGB agent. Say something, Milly. &#8221;</p>
<p>( Trevor Kavanagh, Political Editor, The Sun newspaper 9.11.09 )<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>&#8221; SURVIVE? NO, WE&#8217;D THRIVE OUTSIDE E.U &#8221;<br />
by Trevor Kavanagh, Political Editor, The Sun, 9.11.09<br />
<a href="http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/media/2009/11/the-sun-trevor-kavanagh-survive-no-wed-thrive-outside-eu.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/media/2009/11/the-sun-trevor-kavanagh-survive-no-wed-thrive-outside-eu.html</a></p>
<p>&#8230; There will only be one question &#8211; IN or OUT <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119360" rel="nofollow">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119360</a>  . And if the polls are to be believed, only one answer. </p>
<p>If Britain decided to quit, it would shake the foundations of the European dream and put the whole undemocratic enterprise at risk.</p>
<p>Brussels will make it as difficult as possible to quit. But no treaty is unbreakable.</p>
<p>Can we survive outside the EU? We should do better than that.</p>
<p>A new publication &#8221; TEN YEARS ON &#8211; BRITAIN WITHOUT THE EUROPEAN UNION &#8221; describes how the unshackled UK would thrive as an independent nation. </p>
<p>Threats of boycott are just bluff. As a net importer, they need our markets just  as much as we need theirs. The book, published by The Taxpayers&#8217; Alliance, describes how our economy would be liberated from EU waste, fraud and red tape. Potential savings are immense. For a start, we would stop subsidising the grotesque Common Agricultural Policy which cost UK taxpayers £10billion this year. Another £3billion is swallowed  by The Common Fisheries Policy. Europe&#8217;s crazy VAT fraud carousel costs £80billion a year.</p>
<p>Not only would we shed these costs, we would be free to trade toe to toe in world markets without the EU wagging its willy, I mean its finger under our noses. The book explains how Brussels meddles in every nook and cranny of our daily lives &#8211; from our courts and prisons to health and safety, from immigration to the amount of water used to flushed your smelly toilets.</p>
<p>Some EU states &#8211; not least Germany &#8211; are beginning to buckle under the strain of keeping this lumbering giant on its feet. &#8221; If you trade something, make something, sell something, police something, transport something, grow something, burn something, bury something, BRUSSELS has a say in it, &#8221; says the book&#8217;s author, Dr Lee Rotherham.</p>
<p>Like a copy?  The Sun newspaper&#8217;s readers and everybody else are very welcomed to order one FREE from the website <a href="http://www.greatEUdebate.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.greatEUdebate.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Philipa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philipa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-26729&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;circus monkey&lt;/a&gt;: Thanks, I am with your argument completely. 
@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-26728&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Robert D&lt;/a&gt;: I&#039;m not forgetting anything and as I understand it the 7/7 bombings were carried out by British muslims annoyed at Britain being engaged in war in the middle east. Go figure. Unless you think we should be bombing innocent people in Leeds as well as Afghanistan? Would that &quot;&lt;i&gt;ensure that such a tradgedy never happens&lt;/i&gt;&quot; again?? I sincerely hope our foreign policies are a little more emotionally evolved. Although in politics nothing is guaranteed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-26729" rel="nofollow">circus monkey</a>: Thanks, I am with your argument completely.<br />
@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-26728" rel="nofollow">Robert D</a>: I&#8217;m not forgetting anything and as I understand it the 7/7 bombings were carried out by British muslims annoyed at Britain being engaged in war in the middle east. Go figure. Unless you think we should be bombing innocent people in Leeds as well as Afghanistan? Would that &#8220;<i>ensure that such a tradgedy never happens</i>&#8221; again?? I sincerely hope our foreign policies are a little more emotionally evolved. Although in politics nothing is guaranteed.</p>
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		<title>By: circus monkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>circus monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knock it off Robert D, leave Philipa alone. Since when has speaking your conscience been cowardice. I am a great supporter of our military and if I thought there was anything to be gained by us being there I would say they should stay. It is the cowardice of certain politicians and even SOME military top brass that offends me. Have they learnt nothing from the so called &quot;Great Game&quot; of the nineteenth century. It seems to have descended into a &quot;we&#039;re there because we&#039;re there&quot; scenario.It is an insult to the soldiers and the citizens of this country that, while the soldiers are out there dying and being horribly injured, the politician&#039;s and the judiciary allow hatemongers and those that mean us no good at all to walk the streets freely because they are in thrall to liberal left political correctness. That&#039;s true cowardice! I believe the British have enough courage to deal with all eventualities and have a right to express an honest opinion.
If you must flaunt your &quot;patriotism&quot;, Robert D, try &quot;training your guns&quot; on the real enemy and be more careful with that particular C word!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knock it off Robert D, leave Philipa alone. Since when has speaking your conscience been cowardice. I am a great supporter of our military and if I thought there was anything to be gained by us being there I would say they should stay. It is the cowardice of certain politicians and even SOME military top brass that offends me. Have they learnt nothing from the so called &#8220;Great Game&#8221; of the nineteenth century. It seems to have descended into a &#8220;we&#8217;re there because we&#8217;re there&#8221; scenario.It is an insult to the soldiers and the citizens of this country that, while the soldiers are out there dying and being horribly injured, the politician&#8217;s and the judiciary allow hatemongers and those that mean us no good at all to walk the streets freely because they are in thrall to liberal left political correctness. That&#8217;s true cowardice! I believe the British have enough courage to deal with all eventualities and have a right to express an honest opinion.<br />
If you must flaunt your &#8220;patriotism&#8221;, Robert D, try &#8220;training your guns&#8221; on the real enemy and be more careful with that particular C word!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philipa - You seem to be forgetting the 07/07 attacks. We should be there fighting for the memories of all those that lost their lives on that day. We should be fighting to ensure that such a tradgedy never happens. It is cowardice like yours that makes me embarrassed to be British!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hidden due to low <a href="http://wealthynetizen.com/wordpress-plugin-comment-rating/" title="Rated by other readers">comment rating</a>. <a href="javascript:crSwitchDisplay('ckhide-26728');" title="Click to see comment">Click here to see</a>.</p><div id='ckhide-26728' style="display:none; opacity:0.4;filter:alpha(opacity=40) !important;"><p>Philipa &#8211; You seem to be forgetting the 07/07 attacks. We should be there fighting for the memories of all those that lost their lives on that day. We should be fighting to ensure that such a tradgedy never happens. It is cowardice like yours that makes me embarrassed to be British!</p>
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