Comments on: Electric cars are fast, fun and environmentally-friendly http://www.boris-johnson.com/2009/03/10/electric-cars-fast-fun-and-environment-friendly/ Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:13:42 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Electric cars are fast, fun and environmentally-friendly | Boris … | Fresh Green World http://www.boris-johnson.com/2009/03/10/electric-cars-fast-fun-and-environment-friendly/comment-page-2/#comment-25123 Electric cars are fast, fun and environmentally-friendly | Boris … | Fresh Green World Fri, 24 Jul 2009 01:49:39 +0000 http://www.boris-johnson.com/?p=653#comment-25123 [...] Read this article: Electric cars are fast, fun and environmentally-friendly | Boris … [...] [...] Read this article: Electric cars are fast, fun and environmentally-friendly | Boris … [...]

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]]> By: Gill http://www.boris-johnson.com/2009/03/10/electric-cars-fast-fun-and-environment-friendly/comment-page-2/#comment-24497 Gill Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:29:44 +0000 http://www.boris-johnson.com/?p=653#comment-24497 Tez: stats in isolation can prove anything and this looks remarkably like an advert so would you care to provide a properly referenced critique of your sources? Tez: stats in isolation can prove anything and this looks remarkably like an advert so would you care to provide a properly referenced critique of your sources?

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]]> By: Tez http://www.boris-johnson.com/2009/03/10/electric-cars-fast-fun-and-environment-friendly/comment-page-2/#comment-24495 Tez Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:16:02 +0000 http://www.boris-johnson.com/?p=653#comment-24495 Interesting really that electric cars currently produce more CO2 emissions than diesel cars...electric car efficiency is currently about 24% from electric production to wheel, whereas diesels average 45%, with petrols lagging in the 15-20% region. So go green go diesel...strange isn't it, in fact you should probably look at a car built from recycled materials as well to reduce your carbon emissions, so probably your best bet is an S-Class Mercedes Diesel which is far less environmentally damaging that most electric cars! If the government were to provide the £5000 subsidy they do for electrics to diesels CO2 emissions in the UK would fall significantly, with electric cars however, it is liable to rise! Interesting really that electric cars currently produce more CO2 emissions than diesel cars…electric car efficiency is currently about 24% from electric production to wheel, whereas diesels average 45%, with petrols lagging in the 15-20% region.

So go green go diesel…strange isn’t it, in fact you should probably look at a car built from recycled materials as well to reduce your carbon emissions, so probably your best bet is an S-Class Mercedes Diesel which is far less environmentally damaging that most electric cars!

If the government were to provide the £5000 subsidy they do for electrics to diesels CO2 emissions in the UK would fall significantly, with electric cars however, it is liable to rise!

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]]> By: Guy Peters http://www.boris-johnson.com/2009/03/10/electric-cars-fast-fun-and-environment-friendly/comment-page-2/#comment-24395 Guy Peters Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:11:58 +0000 http://www.boris-johnson.com/?p=653#comment-24395 I loved Boris Johnson's article (first published in the Daily Telegraph on 10 March 2009). Speaking as a come lately journalist I can only wish I had his writing style. His similies: "we settled in front of him like an insolent snowflake." . . ."this car was producing no more noxious vapours than a dandelion in an alpine meadow." . . . "soaring wheel arches curved and massed like the haunches of a greased panther." . . . "My car, on the other hand, was silent except for a musical hum, like a chorister tuning up for a madrigal." What joy to read. What imagery! Yes, I love the Tesla too. It is the future today. Best wishes, Guy Peters I loved Boris Johnson’s article (first published in the Daily Telegraph on 10 March 2009). Speaking as a come lately journalist I can only wish I had his writing style. His similies: “we settled in front of him like an insolent snowflake.” . . .”this car was producing no more noxious vapours than a dandelion in an alpine meadow.” . . .
“soaring wheel arches curved and massed like the haunches of a greased panther.” . . . “My car, on the other hand, was silent except for a musical hum, like a chorister tuning up for a madrigal.” What joy to read. What imagery!
Yes, I love the Tesla too. It is the future today. Best wishes, Guy Peters

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]]> By: EM http://www.boris-johnson.com/2009/03/10/electric-cars-fast-fun-and-environment-friendly/comment-page-2/#comment-24384 EM Sat, 18 Apr 2009 02:20:32 +0000 http://www.boris-johnson.com/?p=653#comment-24384 Oh my goodness how ridiculously naive can we all be! Electric cars produce 50% more carbon dioxide than gasoline cars and I will prove it! CONSIDER: 1 gallon gas = 19.4 pounds CO2 = 36 miles (Honda Civic US gas-mileage) Electricity produced in coal-fired generating stations (most common form of electricity in USA/Europe/China): 1 kWh = 2.1 pounds CO2 Chevy Volt stores 16 KWH of power to travel 40 miles. 16 Kwh * 2.1 pounds = 33.6 pounds CO2 to travel 40 miles, or 33.6*(36/40) = 30.24 pounds CO2 to travel 36 miles. Therefore, to travel the same (36 miles) distance, the carbon-dioxide produced is: * Honda Civic (gas-powered) ............. 20 pounds * Chevy Volt (electric-powered) ......... 30 pounds (actual numbers are 19.4 for the Honda and 30.2 for the Chevy so I am even being generous and erring on the 'green' side to give the greens the advantage ... and I *still* can't help them out, lol). NOTE: The much-touted Oscar electric car is more efficient than Volt but, let's face it, it is far from being ready for mass-production, compared to the Volt. Ergo, here's the conclusion: (30-20)=10; 10/20 = 50% Therefore, the Chevy Volt produces 50% more CO2 than the Honda Civic. I rest my case. (harrrumph; lol) PS: In case you think I am full of crap, references: http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/page/co2_report/co2report.html#electric http://www.epa.gov/OMS/climate/420f05001.htm http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymake/Honda2008.shtml http://www.gm-volt.com/index.php?s=cycled Oh my goodness how ridiculously naive can we all be! Electric cars produce 50% more carbon dioxide than gasoline cars and I will prove it!

CONSIDER:

1 gallon gas = 19.4 pounds CO2 = 36 miles (Honda Civic US gas-mileage)

Electricity produced in coal-fired generating stations (most common form of electricity in USA/Europe/China):
1 kWh = 2.1 pounds CO2

Chevy Volt stores 16 KWH of power to travel 40 miles.

16 Kwh * 2.1 pounds = 33.6 pounds CO2 to travel 40 miles, or 33.6*(36/40) = 30.24 pounds CO2 to travel 36 miles.

Therefore, to travel the same (36 miles) distance, the carbon-dioxide produced is:
* Honda Civic (gas-powered) …………. 20 pounds
* Chevy Volt (electric-powered) ……… 30 pounds

(actual numbers are 19.4 for the Honda and 30.2 for the Chevy so I am even being generous and erring on the ‘green’ side to give the greens the advantage … and I *still* can’t help them out, lol).

NOTE: The much-touted Oscar electric car is more efficient than Volt but, let’s face it, it is far from being ready for mass-production, compared to the Volt.

Ergo, here’s the conclusion: (30-20)=10; 10/20 = 50%
Therefore, the Chevy Volt produces 50% more CO2 than the Honda Civic.

I rest my case. (harrrumph; lol)

PS: In case you think I am full of crap, references:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/page/co2_report/co2report.html#electric
http://www.epa.gov/OMS/climate/420f05001.htm
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymake/Honda2008.shtml
http://www.gm-volt.com/index.php?s=cycled

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]]> By: Miles http://www.boris-johnson.com/2009/03/10/electric-cars-fast-fun-and-environment-friendly/comment-page-2/#comment-24380 Miles Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:08:54 +0000 http://www.boris-johnson.com/?p=653#comment-24380 In response to Gill, Tesla are making a car closer to your requirements - "Model S" http://www.teslamotors.com/models/index.php To quote their website: * - 300 mile range * - 45 minute QuickCharge * - 0-60 mph in 5.6 seconds * - Seats 7 people * - More Cargo space than station wagons * - 2X as efficient as hybrids * - 17 inch infotainment touchscreen I think the styling looks very good too! To correct another post further up, the batteries are not the same as most EV cars. Prius etc use Lead acid batteries which are very heavy and both lead and the acid used are bad for the environment. The Tesla uses Lithium-ion batteries which are lighter (less weight to move around) and can be recycled (in fact Tesla already has the battery recycling in place for the car). The batteries should be good for 100,000 miles. As for range I only get about 220 miles from my Lotus Elise as it has a small tank. The Tesla roadster has a range of 244 miles. In response to Gill, Tesla are making a car closer to your requirements – “Model S”

http://www.teslamotors.com/models/index.php

To quote their website:
* – 300 mile range
* – 45 minute QuickCharge
* – 0-60 mph in 5.6 seconds
* – Seats 7 people
* – More Cargo space than station wagons
* – 2X as efficient as hybrids
* – 17 inch infotainment touchscreen

I think the styling looks very good too!

To correct another post further up, the batteries are not the same as most EV cars. Prius etc use Lead acid batteries which are very heavy and both lead and the acid used are bad for the environment. The Tesla uses Lithium-ion batteries which are lighter (less weight to move around) and can be recycled (in fact Tesla already has the battery recycling in place for the car). The batteries should be good for 100,000 miles.

As for range I only get about 220 miles from my Lotus Elise as it has a small tank. The Tesla roadster has a range of 244 miles.

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]]> By: Jeffrey Morris http://www.boris-johnson.com/2009/03/10/electric-cars-fast-fun-and-environment-friendly/comment-page-2/#comment-24321 Jeffrey Morris Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:07:20 +0000 http://www.boris-johnson.com/?p=653#comment-24321 Go electric Mayor Boris! I'd like to see an all electric transport policy within the environs of the 2012 London Olympics in three years time. When will it be possible for Londoners to go electric on many of the new red Routemaster buses? Let us never again bury one of London's best brands! Is it possible for you to undertake the creation of an open competition inviting achievable ideas to make London the most carbon free electric city in the world? Jeffrey Morris Go electric Mayor Boris!

I’d like to see an all electric transport policy within the environs of the 2012 London Olympics in three years time.

When will it be possible for Londoners to go electric on many of the new red Routemaster buses? Let us never again bury one of London’s best brands!

Is it possible for you to undertake the creation of an open competition inviting achievable ideas to make London the most carbon free electric city in the world?

Jeffrey Morris

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]]> By: Tesla Model S Is Taking Off! | EVBeat.com - Electric Vehicle News http://www.boris-johnson.com/2009/03/10/electric-cars-fast-fun-and-environment-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-24257 Tesla Model S Is Taking Off! | EVBeat.com - Electric Vehicle News Sat, 11 Apr 2009 20:47:05 +0000 http://www.boris-johnson.com/?p=653#comment-24257 [...] at a historic and exciting time for clean-tech companies in the U.K. London Mayor Boris Johnson, a sportscar buff and fan of the Tesla Roadster, announced  this week a plan to introduce 100,000 EVs and to build [...] [...] at a historic and exciting time for clean-tech companies in the U.K. London Mayor Boris Johnson, a sportscar buff and fan of the Tesla Roadster, announced  this week a plan to introduce 100,000 EVs and to build [...]

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]]> By: Philip Rawson http://www.boris-johnson.com/2009/03/10/electric-cars-fast-fun-and-environment-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-24147 Philip Rawson Thu, 09 Apr 2009 01:48:52 +0000 http://www.boris-johnson.com/?p=653#comment-24147 Nice one Boris! I was distressed when Erni Marples introduced 'Parking Metres!' He certainly missed a trick then! These should have been charging points. I sincerely hope you have better success with this wasteful government. A few points to consider! Can electric cars survive floods? How much power is required to keep the ice off windscreens and hands in winter? And how safe are they on a failing battery for night vision and safety? Philip Nice one Boris!
I was distressed when Erni Marples introduced ‘Parking Metres!’ He certainly missed a trick then! These should have been charging points. I sincerely hope you have better success with this wasteful government.

A few points to consider! Can electric cars survive floods? How much power is required to keep the ice off windscreens and hands in winter? And how safe are they on a failing battery for night vision and safety? Philip

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]]> By: Did Gordon Really Steal Boris’ Electric Car Ideas? - Common Endeavour http://www.boris-johnson.com/2009/03/10/electric-cars-fast-fun-and-environment-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-24133 Did Gordon Really Steal Boris’ Electric Car Ideas? - Common Endeavour Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:16:00 +0000 http://www.boris-johnson.com/?p=653#comment-24133 [...] from the Mayor of London. Boris has certainly been enthusiastic about electric cars, writing about how jolly good they are, but in terms of action all he appears to have done is set up The Electric Vehicle Partnership, a [...] [...] from the Mayor of London. Boris has certainly been enthusiastic about electric cars, writing about how jolly good they are, but in terms of action all he appears to have done is set up The Electric Vehicle Partnership, a [...]

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