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		<title>By: Michael M</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is the difference. Yes, that  &quot;There is an equally strong link between African populations and violent lawlessness&#039;. And Africa has just spread its wings to the Arab world too! If you haven&#039;t got it yet, that would be Iraq and Afghanistan. And guess what? Anglo-Celts had a part to play! &#039;It sounds nasty and it would be great if it wasn&#039;t true but it just is&#039;. I can hear you about to disown your own in Mr. Blair. If it&#039;s great, its got to be &#039;YOU&#039;, if wrong, its someone else. There is a word that normally describes that. I don&#039;t know how much you understand the world today, but there is a desperate need to shift how we all view the world 30years ago to the present.
Yes, you are right that the British population &#039;promote life and progress&#039;, with the exception of a few who think  they can only get stronger by perpetuating barbaric views, creating classes based on color and creed in the name of &#039;intellectual freedom&#039; which you, unfortunately, appear to misinterpret.
This discussion wasn&#039;t about class struggles/differences. It was about fighting for Zimbabweans who feel threatened to go back home to be given a chance to live, at least, like human beings, and not to gate-crush your sumpremacy party. We are hardworking people, willing to provide for our upkeep only until things improve. I hope Mr Coleman wouldn&#039;t want to throw away that privelege away yet. Our country still has potential.

Ok, it&#039;s a fact that Africa produces more totalitarian governments than anywhere else in the world. But who spreads corruption to the third world? Democracy started from the worst, is there a clear framework for democracy these &#039;young&#039; countries can follow? How about the west foreign policies? To this day, I still feel Mugabe was/ is worse than Saddam as far as human rights were/ are concerned. But, again, no OIL means Zimbabweans are alone in this. And Mugabe is even knightly here!
I was young when the so-called Gukurahundi took place, and to my surprise, the world was watching by while such atrocities were taking place. Charlotte, if you don&#039;t know, Gukurahundi was ethnic cleansing of those who live in the Matebeleland provinces. What&#039;s happening now is so much different from what happened then, though, there are slight similarities.

And judging by the way you wrote the two postings and your reasoning, I have no doubt that,  should this spread to more areas and minds, you stand a slim chance to protect your &#039;Anglo-Celts Values&#039;, if there are any left to admire. And if I am right, Britain is for the British, not just Anglo-Celts. Just imagine how much of an outcry if you were one day to become leader of this country, or anyone of like thinking. The PC brigade exists because, with people like you around, there is a need for it. I would prefer a world where it does not exist at all.
And I hope you return to your rightful country of origin, which by the look of it, is over sixty years gone, somewhere in mainland Europe.
Don&#039;t stop writing, though.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the difference. Yes, that  &#8220;There is an equally strong link between African populations and violent lawlessness&#8217;. And Africa has just spread its wings to the Arab world too! If you haven&#8217;t got it yet, that would be Iraq and Afghanistan. And guess what? Anglo-Celts had a part to play! &#8216;It sounds nasty and it would be great if it wasn&#8217;t true but it just is&#8217;. I can hear you about to disown your own in Mr. Blair. If it&#8217;s great, its got to be &#8216;YOU&#8217;, if wrong, its someone else. There is a word that normally describes that. I don&#8217;t know how much you understand the world today, but there is a desperate need to shift how we all view the world 30years ago to the present.<br />
Yes, you are right that the British population &#8216;promote life and progress&#8217;, with the exception of a few who think  they can only get stronger by perpetuating barbaric views, creating classes based on color and creed in the name of &#8216;intellectual freedom&#8217; which you, unfortunately, appear to misinterpret.<br />
This discussion wasn&#8217;t about class struggles/differences. It was about fighting for Zimbabweans who feel threatened to go back home to be given a chance to live, at least, like human beings, and not to gate-crush your sumpremacy party. We are hardworking people, willing to provide for our upkeep only until things improve. I hope Mr Coleman wouldn&#8217;t want to throw away that privelege away yet. Our country still has potential.</p>
<p>Ok, it&#8217;s a fact that Africa produces more totalitarian governments than anywhere else in the world. But who spreads corruption to the third world? Democracy started from the worst, is there a clear framework for democracy these &#8216;young&#8217; countries can follow? How about the west foreign policies? To this day, I still feel Mugabe was/ is worse than Saddam as far as human rights were/ are concerned. But, again, no OIL means Zimbabweans are alone in this. And Mugabe is even knightly here!<br />
I was young when the so-called Gukurahundi took place, and to my surprise, the world was watching by while such atrocities were taking place. Charlotte, if you don&#8217;t know, Gukurahundi was ethnic cleansing of those who live in the Matebeleland provinces. What&#8217;s happening now is so much different from what happened then, though, there are slight similarities.</p>
<p>And judging by the way you wrote the two postings and your reasoning, I have no doubt that,  should this spread to more areas and minds, you stand a slim chance to protect your &#8216;Anglo-Celts Values&#8217;, if there are any left to admire. And if I am right, Britain is for the British, not just Anglo-Celts. Just imagine how much of an outcry if you were one day to become leader of this country, or anyone of like thinking. The PC brigade exists because, with people like you around, there is a need for it. I would prefer a world where it does not exist at all.<br />
And I hope you return to your rightful country of origin, which by the look of it, is over sixty years gone, somewhere in mainland Europe.<br />
Don&#8217;t stop writing, though.</p>
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		<title>By: charlotte</title>
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		<dc:creator>charlotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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It is possible to make a comparison between different cultures and values to determine which are more successful in promoting life and progress.

Mr. Coleman hails from an ethnicity that has developed and promoted a culture and value system that is immensely positive and it is objectively superior to most others.

Yet, currently Anglo Celts are so cowed by political correctness they dare not even stare this reality in the face for fear of being described as imperialist, white supremacist or racist.

People like you force people like me to dissemble, obfuscate and deny reality.

The reality is there is a very strong link between Anglo Celt populations and positive societies which promote life and progress.

There is an equally strong link between African populations and violent lawlessness.

It sounds nasty and it would be great if it wasn&#039;t true but it just is.

Calling me an &#039;imperialist&#039; or a &#039;white supremacist&#039; denies me the intellectual freedom that is desperately needed speak the truth and protect a culture, ethnicity and way of life that is under threat. I hope you prosper Michael but hope Colman is able to return to his cultural and ethnic roots. That is the difference.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is possible to make a comparison between different cultures and values to determine which are more successful in promoting life and progress.</p>
<p>Mr. Coleman hails from an ethnicity that has developed and promoted a culture and value system that is immensely positive and it is objectively superior to most others.</p>
<p>Yet, currently Anglo Celts are so cowed by political correctness they dare not even stare this reality in the face for fear of being described as imperialist, white supremacist or racist.</p>
<p>People like you force people like me to dissemble, obfuscate and deny reality.</p>
<p>The reality is there is a very strong link between Anglo Celt populations and positive societies which promote life and progress.</p>
<p>There is an equally strong link between African populations and violent lawlessness.</p>
<p>It sounds nasty and it would be great if it wasn&#8217;t true but it just is.</p>
<p>Calling me an &#8216;imperialist&#8217; or a &#8216;white supremacist&#8217; denies me the intellectual freedom that is desperately needed speak the truth and protect a culture, ethnicity and way of life that is under threat. I hope you prosper Michael but hope Colman is able to return to his cultural and ethnic roots. That is the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael M</title>
		<link>http://www.boris-johnson.com/2007/02/06/debate-on-zimbabwe/comment-page-1/#comment-16685</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Charlotte,

Yes, you are right to say that white people are being targeted in Zimbabwe. Yes, it is also true that the Zimbabwean government is championing violence against white people in this once gracious, great country. Especially farmers. But, I think some of your facts are wrong.
Needless to say, there are still some white people who support the totalitarian government in Zimbabwe. I may not know names but, trust me, this has been the case since Zanu PF came to power, though I may have been too young to know the powers that be during the early days of Zanu PF. The only people who might be suffering as much to match your description are the farmers, no question about that. But, a BIG but, the problems in Zimbabwe are more political, than anything. Like I pointed out in my last contribution, anybody who opposes the ruling Zanu PF is an enemy of the state. If I remember well, land redistribution in Zimbabwe was started in good faith and many farmers I knew were for it. Things were good then, this far. But, because Mugabe does not accommodate any views outside his own, he felt threatened by those farmers, who, by law and with good reason, had every reason to challenge the process by which the programme was being implemented. Even then, things were low key.

This whole thing turned on its head when the political opposition party brought to the table a seemingly attractive and harmonizing alternative to the Zanu PF mismanaged and corrupt process. That&#039;s when the real battle against the public begun. This had nothing to do with color, unless you want to mention why and how there was this need to address the land ownership ineqaulity itself, bearing in mind that most wealth in Zimbabwe was directly linked to land ownership.  It is intellectually and ethically faulty reasoning to make no discrimination between the rights of black Zimbabweans who have sought self determination and are reaping the rewards and the descendents of white nation builders who have been involved in spreading the positive social mores of an Anglo Celt community. Don&#039;t be surprised. I quoted this from your last posting. Here, are you trying to suggest that black Zimbabweans were wrong to confront the long forgotten demons of pre-independence Zimbabwe? I thought the world had moved millions of miles from such thinking and we are all equal now. No rights based on color or creed. If this is intellectually and ethically good reason, then I am sorry, I am on the wrong planet. And what exactly do you mean by : positive social mores of an Anglo Celt community.? Have you ever come across the words supremacy and imperialism, systematically or by chance? Your posting smells of it!  I am a black Zimbabwean who would like to live in a Zimbabwe for all, not one that matches your description and so called social mores. Your views are not dissimilar to the status quo in Zimbabwe. You, obviously are for discrimination, and all the bad stuff that drives and accommodates it.
And you went on to say: If he is an Anglo Celt and the descendent of nation builders this man has the right to live in a way that is determined by his background ethnicity and culture. So, Mr. Colman and myself are different Zimbabweans because of color? I suppose, so are you and Rio Ferdinand and anyone who claim to be British but has an overseas background?
Charlotte, darling,  Zimbabwean issues are far more complicated than meets the eye, and they are not addressed by attempting to spread values that only a few of you are left in the whole world.
The British government is only trying to protect its interests by mistreating immigrants from Zimbabwe, demonizing them, and people like you are not helping.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Charlotte,</p>
<p>Yes, you are right to say that white people are being targeted in Zimbabwe. Yes, it is also true that the Zimbabwean government is championing violence against white people in this once gracious, great country. Especially farmers. But, I think some of your facts are wrong.<br />
Needless to say, there are still some white people who support the totalitarian government in Zimbabwe. I may not know names but, trust me, this has been the case since Zanu PF came to power, though I may have been too young to know the powers that be during the early days of Zanu PF. The only people who might be suffering as much to match your description are the farmers, no question about that. But, a BIG but, the problems in Zimbabwe are more political, than anything. Like I pointed out in my last contribution, anybody who opposes the ruling Zanu PF is an enemy of the state. If I remember well, land redistribution in Zimbabwe was started in good faith and many farmers I knew were for it. Things were good then, this far. But, because Mugabe does not accommodate any views outside his own, he felt threatened by those farmers, who, by law and with good reason, had every reason to challenge the process by which the programme was being implemented. Even then, things were low key.</p>
<p>This whole thing turned on its head when the political opposition party brought to the table a seemingly attractive and harmonizing alternative to the Zanu PF mismanaged and corrupt process. That&#8217;s when the real battle against the public begun. This had nothing to do with color, unless you want to mention why and how there was this need to address the land ownership ineqaulity itself, bearing in mind that most wealth in Zimbabwe was directly linked to land ownership.  It is intellectually and ethically faulty reasoning to make no discrimination between the rights of black Zimbabweans who have sought self determination and are reaping the rewards and the descendents of white nation builders who have been involved in spreading the positive social mores of an Anglo Celt community. Don&#8217;t be surprised. I quoted this from your last posting. Here, are you trying to suggest that black Zimbabweans were wrong to confront the long forgotten demons of pre-independence Zimbabwe? I thought the world had moved millions of miles from such thinking and we are all equal now. No rights based on color or creed. If this is intellectually and ethically good reason, then I am sorry, I am on the wrong planet. And what exactly do you mean by : positive social mores of an Anglo Celt community.? Have you ever come across the words supremacy and imperialism, systematically or by chance? Your posting smells of it!  I am a black Zimbabwean who would like to live in a Zimbabwe for all, not one that matches your description and so called social mores. Your views are not dissimilar to the status quo in Zimbabwe. You, obviously are for discrimination, and all the bad stuff that drives and accommodates it.<br />
And you went on to say: If he is an Anglo Celt and the descendent of nation builders this man has the right to live in a way that is determined by his background ethnicity and culture. So, Mr. Colman and myself are different Zimbabweans because of color? I suppose, so are you and Rio Ferdinand and anyone who claim to be British but has an overseas background?<br />
Charlotte, darling,  Zimbabwean issues are far more complicated than meets the eye, and they are not addressed by attempting to spread values that only a few of you are left in the whole world.<br />
The British government is only trying to protect its interests by mistreating immigrants from Zimbabwe, demonizing them, and people like you are not helping.</p>
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		<title>By: charlotte</title>
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		<dc:creator>charlotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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A white person in Zimbabwe &#039;is&#039; in danger just because of the colour of their skin.

Having read  Peter Godwin&#039;s article in the Observer this weekend it is very clear that a white people are being subjected to ethnic cleansing and abuse in Zimbabwe.

It is intellectually and ethically faulty reasoning to make no discrimination between the rights of black Zimbabweans who have sought self determination and are reaping the rewards and the descendents of white nation builders who have been involved in spreading the positive social mores of an Anglo Celt community.

There is no where in the entire world where Anglo Celt people are a majority that laws, freedoms, institutions and a functioning civil society do no prevail.

However there are few countries with a black majority that are not violent and lawless.

Coleman temperamentally, ethnically and visually is an outsider in Zimbabwe. If he is an Anglo Celt and the descendent of nation builders this man has the right to live in a way that determined by his background ethnicity and culture. Coleman is an Anglo Celt and should be able to live like an Anglo Celt.

What has happened to Coleman in Zimbabwe isn&#039;t his fault. Mugabe destroyed the white engine of his country and it has crashed suddenly as a consequence. With no capacity to determine his future due to discrimination Coleman should not suffer from the decisions made by a black society that has actively tried to destroy a white population and with it the country itself.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A white person in Zimbabwe &#8216;is&#8217; in danger just because of the colour of their skin.</p>
<p>Having read  Peter Godwin&#8217;s article in the Observer this weekend it is very clear that a white people are being subjected to ethnic cleansing and abuse in Zimbabwe.</p>
<p>It is intellectually and ethically faulty reasoning to make no discrimination between the rights of black Zimbabweans who have sought self determination and are reaping the rewards and the descendents of white nation builders who have been involved in spreading the positive social mores of an Anglo Celt community.</p>
<p>There is no where in the entire world where Anglo Celt people are a majority that laws, freedoms, institutions and a functioning civil society do no prevail.</p>
<p>However there are few countries with a black majority that are not violent and lawless.</p>
<p>Coleman temperamentally, ethnically and visually is an outsider in Zimbabwe. If he is an Anglo Celt and the descendent of nation builders this man has the right to live in a way that determined by his background ethnicity and culture. Coleman is an Anglo Celt and should be able to live like an Anglo Celt.</p>
<p>What has happened to Coleman in Zimbabwe isn&#8217;t his fault. Mugabe destroyed the white engine of his country and it has crashed suddenly as a consequence. With no capacity to determine his future due to discrimination Coleman should not suffer from the decisions made by a black society that has actively tried to destroy a white population and with it the country itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven_L said:

Mugabe is supposedly going to be taking delivery of 12 JF-17 fighters in the next few years.

A good time to test the air-to-air capabilites of the Typhoon?


Unfortunately, Steven, matching Mugabe s diabolical ways can only turn Britain into a Banana republic. I would suggest sending the highly trained and the people I respect, this country s SAS soldiers and the American Special forces to go in there (Zimbabwe), grab this lunatic, and his family, straight to Hauge, and because its Mugabe involved, apply the death penalty, only this once! Mugabe deserves his place next to Saddam. This way we can avoid any unnecessary collateral damage.Its a pity that western governments play chicken politics with sensitive issues where foreign policy is concerned.
How many days does it take for America or Britain to get rid of Mugabe? Well, because there is no oil in Zimbabwe it may as well be a lifetime!
And to John Reid... Does he even know what we, Zimbabweans are going through? Only if he coild answer this question &quot;How many more times can you fool the British Public by preying on defenseless, demonised, loathed,but peaceful, hardworking and grateful people of Zimbabwe to enhance your own polical mileage and image? Knowing the British majority, how tolerant they are, and how able to see through such disgraceful political pandering and opportunism, its only a matter of time before they start asking for your head! In a supposedly advanced western democracy like this, one wonders whether Democracy itself is self destructive to an extent that it has to go through another scary and dangerous  process to get back to what the older generation Brits used to treasure, and what was the envy of the whole world.
With current events in mind, i am afraid this might not hurt just the &quot;foreigner&quot; but even those standing by the sidelines. I belong to the younger generation. During political campaigns for my party back home, my employer was white, but we campaigned together as colleagues. Even though we lost because the elections were rigged, I cannot exchange that experience for anything in the whole wide world. That feeling of change, that feeling of real democracy.Equality.
Forget about spoon feeding us, or dishing us the so much talked about benefits. All we want is sanctuary. nurse our wounds, regroup, learn from our hosts, (if there is anything left worth learning) and effect change back home. I know some of you would be asking, &quot;what change when i am far away from home&quot;. You will never know because you have never been in this position!
I do not deny the fact that some of us, who come from overseas commit crimes, but guess what?? I got mobbed, and had car vandalised. The culprit? Brit. It goes to show that, at the best of times, political survival is more important than workable polices.It is more important than building more jails, and appealing to the immigration courts against the proposed stopping of deportations to Zimbabwe is more important than reviewing the more than 3000 or so new laws that have created more crimes and criminals than David Cameroon  ever committed at Eaton. Please...... Even now,for while you are reading this, for some of you I dont even have rights to sit hear and contribute on Boris site. What a pity, British politicians have changed the British public s view and perception towards politics. Even if a policy was going to work, the public are always bound to disagree, and you ask why.
Please give us a chance, the much needed help and Zimbabwe will be free again, for all races to live in harmony, welcoming all visitors and playing the role of proud hosts. Hopefully, all this having rubbed onto us from the long envied GREAT BRITAIN. I know it existed at one point.

Boris, you could be the missing link.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven_L said:</p>
<p>Mugabe is supposedly going to be taking delivery of 12 JF-17 fighters in the next few years.</p>
<p>A good time to test the air-to-air capabilites of the Typhoon?</p>
<p>Unfortunately, Steven, matching Mugabe s diabolical ways can only turn Britain into a Banana republic. I would suggest sending the highly trained and the people I respect, this country s SAS soldiers and the American Special forces to go in there (Zimbabwe), grab this lunatic, and his family, straight to Hauge, and because its Mugabe involved, apply the death penalty, only this once! Mugabe deserves his place next to Saddam. This way we can avoid any unnecessary collateral damage.Its a pity that western governments play chicken politics with sensitive issues where foreign policy is concerned.<br />
How many days does it take for America or Britain to get rid of Mugabe? Well, because there is no oil in Zimbabwe it may as well be a lifetime!<br />
And to John Reid&#8230; Does he even know what we, Zimbabweans are going through? Only if he coild answer this question &#8220;How many more times can you fool the British Public by preying on defenseless, demonised, loathed,but peaceful, hardworking and grateful people of Zimbabwe to enhance your own polical mileage and image? Knowing the British majority, how tolerant they are, and how able to see through such disgraceful political pandering and opportunism, its only a matter of time before they start asking for your head! In a supposedly advanced western democracy like this, one wonders whether Democracy itself is self destructive to an extent that it has to go through another scary and dangerous  process to get back to what the older generation Brits used to treasure, and what was the envy of the whole world.<br />
With current events in mind, i am afraid this might not hurt just the &#8220;foreigner&#8221; but even those standing by the sidelines. I belong to the younger generation. During political campaigns for my party back home, my employer was white, but we campaigned together as colleagues. Even though we lost because the elections were rigged, I cannot exchange that experience for anything in the whole wide world. That feeling of change, that feeling of real democracy.Equality.<br />
Forget about spoon feeding us, or dishing us the so much talked about benefits. All we want is sanctuary. nurse our wounds, regroup, learn from our hosts, (if there is anything left worth learning) and effect change back home. I know some of you would be asking, &#8220;what change when i am far away from home&#8221;. You will never know because you have never been in this position!<br />
I do not deny the fact that some of us, who come from overseas commit crimes, but guess what?? I got mobbed, and had car vandalised. The culprit? Brit. It goes to show that, at the best of times, political survival is more important than workable polices.It is more important than building more jails, and appealing to the immigration courts against the proposed stopping of deportations to Zimbabwe is more important than reviewing the more than 3000 or so new laws that have created more crimes and criminals than David Cameroon  ever committed at Eaton. Please&#8230;&#8230; Even now,for while you are reading this, for some of you I dont even have rights to sit hear and contribute on Boris site. What a pity, British politicians have changed the British public s view and perception towards politics. Even if a policy was going to work, the public are always bound to disagree, and you ask why.<br />
Please give us a chance, the much needed help and Zimbabwe will be free again, for all races to live in harmony, welcoming all visitors and playing the role of proud hosts. Hopefully, all this having rubbed onto us from the long envied GREAT BRITAIN. I know it existed at one point.</p>
<p>Boris, you could be the missing link.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Buchan Liddell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Buchan Liddell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 03:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done Boris. But there are several flaws in your approach. It is too specific and fails to deal with the widespread problem that every White person is in danger in Zimbabwe, simply because of the colour of their skin.

The case has to be made most strongly that what is happening in Zimbabwe is a campaign of racist ethnic cleansing.

If we invaded Kosovo for that reason then we have the same duty to invade Zimbabwe, especially as these are people of British stock rather than Albanian immigrants who had colonized a former Serbian territory.

We should depose Mugabe or use the threat of such action to extract all the Whites from that country and the terrible fate that awaits them, and then depose him. Such strong-minded action will also have the effect of reminding the future &#039;Mugabes&#039; in South Africa that we will not sit by and let the same atrocities take place in South Africa where many millions of people of British descent currently live.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done Boris. But there are several flaws in your approach. It is too specific and fails to deal with the widespread problem that every White person is in danger in Zimbabwe, simply because of the colour of their skin.</p>
<p>The case has to be made most strongly that what is happening in Zimbabwe is a campaign of racist ethnic cleansing.</p>
<p>If we invaded Kosovo for that reason then we have the same duty to invade Zimbabwe, especially as these are people of British stock rather than Albanian immigrants who had colonized a former Serbian territory.</p>
<p>We should depose Mugabe or use the threat of such action to extract all the Whites from that country and the terrible fate that awaits them, and then depose him. Such strong-minded action will also have the effect of reminding the future &#8216;Mugabes&#8217; in South Africa that we will not sit by and let the same atrocities take place in South Africa where many millions of people of British descent currently live.</p>
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		<title>By: M Moyo</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The British government does not deny the fact that Zimbabweans may face torture on return.  They just dont want to give Zimbabweans the peace of mind as they are protecting their interests,  they know that if they allow the AA case more countries will do the same. So they will keep on appealing.  They had peace of mind in our country and now they treat us like this. They are enjoying the  abuse and torture they are inflicting to the asylum seekers. Good for you Home office
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The British government does not deny the fact that Zimbabweans may face torture on return.  They just dont want to give Zimbabweans the peace of mind as they are protecting their interests,  they know that if they allow the AA case more countries will do the same. So they will keep on appealing.  They had peace of mind in our country and now they treat us like this. They are enjoying the  abuse and torture they are inflicting to the asylum seekers. Good for you Home office</p>
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		<title>By: Jontium Oscitant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jontium Oscitant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing democratic whatsoever in Zimbabwe. The excesses of the mad Mugabe can only be compared with Stalin&#039;s. All he lacks is the money and scope to propagate his lunacy to wider shores.

Britain has a responsibility and an obligation to Rhodesia. They created the situation in the country originally where majority rule came as an explosive decompression rather than a smooth transition. It&#039;s hardly surprising that fruits of Britain&#039;s lamentable Lancaster house talks are poverty, misery and despair.

The present government of the United Kingdom must stand out as one of the most despicable and reprehensible in British history. As for Mz. Joan Ryan my only observation is that I would be happier were she to contract some form of terminal cancer or Ebola virus.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing democratic whatsoever in Zimbabwe. The excesses of the mad Mugabe can only be compared with Stalin&#8217;s. All he lacks is the money and scope to propagate his lunacy to wider shores.</p>
<p>Britain has a responsibility and an obligation to Rhodesia. They created the situation in the country originally where majority rule came as an explosive decompression rather than a smooth transition. It&#8217;s hardly surprising that fruits of Britain&#8217;s lamentable Lancaster house talks are poverty, misery and despair.</p>
<p>The present government of the United Kingdom must stand out as one of the most despicable and reprehensible in British history. As for Mz. Joan Ryan my only observation is that I would be happier were she to contract some form of terminal cancer or Ebola virus.</p>
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		<title>By: lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>am a black zimbabwean ,thanks Boris for highlighting this case shows  how there is complete disregard for Empire this gentleman&#039;s ancestors built Britain and most importantly built Zimbabwe.In these debates it is often trivialized how people leave everything they have ever known for  BLIGHTY
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>am a black zimbabwean ,thanks Boris for highlighting this case shows  how there is complete disregard for Empire this gentleman&#8217;s ancestors built Britain and most importantly built Zimbabwe.In these debates it is often trivialized how people leave everything they have ever known for  BLIGHTY</p>
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		<title>By: Steven_L</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;&lt;i&gt;&#039;Help us get our country back, and, surely, you will be missing us soon&#039; (Michael M)&lt;&lt;i&gt;

Mugabe is supposedly going to be taking delivery of 12 JF-17 fighters in the next few years.

A good time to test the air-to-air capabilites of the Typhoon?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>< <i>&#8216;Help us get our country back, and, surely, you will be missing us soon&#8217; (Michael M)< <i></p>
<p>Mugabe is supposedly going to be taking delivery of 12 JF-17 fighters in the next few years.</p>
<p>A good time to test the air-to-air capabilites of the Typhoon?</p>
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