Paedophile Plague
To all those who worry about the paedophile plague ….they fail to understand the terrible damage that is done by this system of presuming guilt in the entire male population just because of the tendencies of a tiny minority
… the problem is the general collapse of trust. Almost every human relationship that was sensibly regulated by trust is now governed by law, with cripplingly expensive consequences
Come off it, folks: how many paedophiles can there be?
Really? I said, not quite able to believe my luck. There we were, waiting for take-off, and I had just been having a quick zizz. It was a long flight ahead, all the way to India, and I had two children on my left. Already they were toughing each other up and sticking their fingers up each other’s nose, and now — salvation!
Hovering above me was a silk-clad British Airways stewardess with an angelic smile, and she seemed to want me to move. “Please come with me, sir” said the oriental vision.
At once, I got her drift. She desired to upgrade me. In my mind’s eye, I saw the first-class cabin, the spiral staircase to the head massage, the Champagne, the hot towels.
“You betcha!” I said, and began to unbuckle. At which point, the children set up a yammering. Oi, they said to me, where do you think you are going? I was explaining that the captain had probably spotted me come on board, don’t you know. Doubtless he had decided that it was outrageous for me to fly steerage, sound chap that he was. I’d make sure to come back now and then, hmmm?
At which the stewardess gave a gentle cough. Actually, she said, she was proposing to move me to row 52, and that was because — she lowered her voice — “We have very strict rules”.
Eh? I said, by now baffled. “A man cannot sit with children,” she said; and then I finally twigged. “But he’s our FATHER”, chimed the children. “Oh,” said the stewardess, and then eyed me narrowly. “These are your children?” “Yes,” I said, a bit testily. “Very sorry,” she said, and wafted down the aisle — and in that single lunatic exchange you will see just about everything you need to know about our dementedly phobic and risk-averse society. In the institutionalised prejudice of that BA stewardess against an adult male, you see one of the prime causes of this country’s tragic under-achievement in schools.
I mention all this because the same absurd kerfuffle happened this week. Some child was put next to an ancient journalist and his wife on a flight, and the airline (BA again) went into spasm. As the hoo-ha raged, the press turned to the lobby groups, and someone called Pam Hibbert of Barnardo’s obliged with the usual bossyboots quote. The ban on sitting children next to adults was “eminently sensible”, said this eminently ridiculous figure.
I mean, come off it, folks. How many paedophiles can there be? Are we really saying that any time an adult male finds himself sitting next to someone under 16, he must expect to be hustled from his seat before the suspicious eyes of the entire cabin?
What about adult females? Every week there is some new tale of what a saucy French mistress is deemed to have done with her adolescent charges behind the bicycle sheds; and, disgraceful though these episodes may be, I don’t hear anyone saying that children should be shielded from adult women. Do you? Or maybe I’m wrong — maybe all adults will have to carry personal cardboard partitions with them on every plane or train, just in case they find themselves sitting next to under-16s.
Even as I write, I can imagine the lip-pursing of some of my lovely high-minded readers. How would you like it, they will say, if some weird chap was plonked next to your kids? And they are right that I would worry about some strange adult sitting next to my children, chiefly because I wouldn’t want the poor fellow to come to any harm.
To all those who worry about the paedophile plague, I would say that they not only have a very imperfect understanding of probability; but also that they fail to understand the terrible damage that is done by this system of presuming guilt in the entire male population just because of the tendencies of a tiny minority.
There are all sorts of reasons why the numbers of male school teachers are down 50 per cent in the period 1981 to 2001, and why the ratio of female to male teachers in primary schools is now seven to one. There are problems of pay, and the catastrophic failure of the state to ensure that they are treated as figures of authority and respect; and what with ‘elf ‘n’ safety and human rights it is very hard to enforce discipline.
But it is also, surely, a huge deterrent to any public-spirited man contemplating a career in education that society apparently regards all adult male contact with young people as being potentially a bit dodgy, a bit rum, a bit you know…
It is a total disaster. It is not just that both boys and girls could do with more male role models in the classroom. Worse still, it often used to be men who taught physics, and maths, and chemistry, and it is the current shortage of such teachers that explains why 80 per cent of pupils studying physics are now taught by someone with a degree in biology; and that in turn helps explain why the numbers doing physics A-level have halved, and why physics departments are closing all over the shop, with all the consequent damage to our science base.
It has tended to be male teachers who take contact sports. Even if they can find a playing-field, these days, the poor male sports teachers have to cope with a terrifying six-inch thick manual explaining how they must on no account shout at their charges, and above all, on pain of prosecution, they must NOT BE LEFT ALONE with the kids. No wonder our children are apparently turning into big fat Augustus Gloops.
It is insane, and the problem is the general collapse of trust. Almost every human relationship that was sensibly regulated by trust is now governed by law, with cripplingly expensive consequences.
I blame the media, I blame the judges, I blame the lobby groups, and in particular I blame the cowardly capitalist airline companies that give in to this sort of loony hysteria. If you happen to be reading this on a British Airways flight, and have quite rightly sustained a burst blood vessel, then I think you are entitled to an immediate upgrade.
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They do, apparently. Very strange people, those sickos.
In my case, the cops not only didn’t arrest me (self-defence, ya know) but since I clarified that I’d punched him with a fistfull of keys to make more impact, they suggested next time I use a bigger bunch of keys.
Am I the ONLY one here who knows how to use the blockquote tag? Just curious.
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blockquote tag? An offensive weapon ?
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a device to give one’s posts clearer meaning: instead of
jfoej g;lfeijg o[i jefo[jwergoijro juigruiogj ;opjifg ojief goiju hfgoui gyayayayadadadada
you could have
and it’s done like this:
{blockquote}stuff you’re quoting{/blockquote}
only you use < these > brackets rather than the curly one’s.
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Oh well there’s an example of using them and it not showing up so here’s one: < the pointy brackets, use those.
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Damn, try again, the pointy brackets:
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work it out, they’re above the full stop and comma on my keyboard.
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It helps differentiate between what you have to say and what you’re quoting. Otherwise I’ll simply assume whenever anyone repeats my words it’s because they’re savouring the wisdom. The full list of tags allowed is right below the posting box. Use only one pointy bracket instead of the two displayed and it will work fine.
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You can’t use the pointy brackets to give examples because the website reads it all as code when it sees a pointy bracket.
I don’t even know what most of those tags down there are for; the only ones I use are for Bolding (b), Italic (i), and Blockquote (blockquote).
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No you don’t, you use (a href=”URL”)hot text(/a) too, but only use one fancy links per post folks otherwise the system gets upset and keeps your post for approval and Melissa is busy and deserves our sympathy and understanding.
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A couple of months ago the choir I run – the least dangerous bunch of people you could wish to meet – received a document “for immediate and mandatory attention”. It came from our parent organisation, who are not normally given to anything either immediate or manadatory. The subject: you’ve probably guessed. Someone got it into their head we must all have a Child Protection Policy (sorry… a Children and Young Persons Protection Policy. More gravitas, you see).
This is a male voice outfit which occasionally has youngsters on board, usually the sons of existing members. We practically live in each other’s pockets. Everyone knows everyone else’s business. If anything strange was going on, it would be spotted immediately and the culprit dealt with in very short order.
But no, the insurers insist that we have a Policy, so the executive committee appointed someone to draft one in consultation with the NSPCC (yes, the NSPCC!). The perfect opportunity for some sanctimonious bossing and bullying to show how much we care about children.
The first sentence of this ghastly 12-page document set the tone perfectly with its misquoted mantra “The welfare of the child is paramount”. Paramount? The single most important consideration in the running of an adult choir? More important than finding somewhere to rehearse? More important than remaining solvent? Gonads.
I took it up with the author of the policy, who insisted the wording was kept “because it’s how the law is worded”. This set me on a trail to the source of the well-parroted catchphrase. And just as Boris’s great moment of realisation came with the stewardess asking him to move, so the whole rotten con-trick of political correctness opened its doors to me.
It is not “what the law says”. It emanates from The Children Act 1989 which established for the first time that, in family courts dealing with, for instance, the custody of a child and the distribution of assets after a divorce, the welfare of the child is paramount where a conflict of interest arises.
That makes perfect sense. But stripped on any context “The welfare of the child is paramount” becomes a meaningless incantation almost guaranteed to strike fear and confusion into the minds of anyone trying to make sensibile arragements for the supervision of children in a group like ours.
It may be a fine legal point but, for me, it blew wide open the kind of whopping lie on which so much of the PC system is based.
And so this horrible document droned on with page after page of warnings, muted threats, rules and exhortations – enough to make you wonder why you bothered to involve children in the first place. It turns trust into suspicion, friends into vigilantes and children into victims.
And there is the nub of Boris’s argument. Draconian child protection practices may well have saved a few children from personal abuse, but what about the millions of others who have suffered loss of adult-led recreational activities as a result? I have seen in in our own village. A well-respected parent used to run a youth club, which successfully kept some of the more boisterous kids off the street until he gave up in despair under the burden of council inspections, insurers, police checks and so on. And guess what? Two of those kids are now on ASBOs.
Multiply this scenario a thousandfold and suddenly you have a huge social problem, all for the sake of a few potential cases of child abuse that may or may not happen.
I’d also be interested to know from BA how a paedophile can operate on a tightly-packed aircraft under the watchful eye of trained crew.
Boris, that article is the most important you have written this year. So come on, what’s the answer?
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It’s Tuesday; don’t we usually get a new article on Tuesdays?
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PaulD – a very good point. It seems legislation is cherry picked for soundbytes then these are churned through the media mill to be adopted by government to give rise to new legislation! You make an excellent point about youth groups Paul.
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PaulD
Thats the problem there is no common sense just busybody social workers who probably have little experience of looking after children anyway. I bet you though if you had told the people who insisted on getting a policy that it was dangerous for the children to walk home on their own, could they provide a bus/lower the speed limit etc the safety of the children would suddenly not have been quite so paramount.
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Oh good one k – well said!
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Paul D . You run a choir? Hardyesque rustics I trust . Oh deary , you are a half convicted paedophile before you start . What possible alternative explanation could there be for such a past-time? Umm … singing and such?
There is a good article in the Daily T today about a site where children rate their teachers and how absurd listening to their opinions is . It all reminds me quite what a nasty little toe rag I was (before I attained the perfection you know today). They are listened to as if they were adults and encouraged to be professionally aggrieved. On the other they are denied the opportunity to become an adult and deserve to be listened to
I was a chorister both at church and at school , this was in the last period when you could expect to meet normal people in this particular church. It is now ,to my mothers huge embarrassment , evangelically inclined with tambourines and hugging.. It used to be possible to be part of the church without being religious especially. I can`t think of any good reasons why but I like this. I was reading today that a Hindu can be almost deist or superstitiously magical, the Egyptian religion seems to have been like this.
It’s a pity in many ways that this area of tradition and continuity is closed to those who simply cannot accept the central truths. I heard a rabbi say ” You can`t believe don`t worry , come along , he`ll get by “.
I have always enjoyed the book of Common Prayer the anthems , hymns and readings .
Shame
.”A beautiful ineffectual angel beating in the void his luminous wings in vain”
Mathew Arnold .
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Thank you, Jaq and K. You have set me pondering more deeply the question to Boris – what can be done about it?
The politically correct, paranoid, risk-averse society we have created is a juggernaut that will prove extremely difficult to turn around, since it provides sustenance for so many powerful interests – the legal system, the government, local authorities and to an extent the commercial world (“for your comfort and convenience”, “in the interests of health and safety”… you know what’s coming).
Here’s a thought. In the engineering world, “total lifetime cost” is a well established concept. When building a road, for instance, you shouldn’t go for the cheapest job that will give you a strip of tarmac. Roads wear out. A cheap surface and weak substrate may need rebuilding every few years. So, while the initial cost was lower, the public ultimately pay more. The prudent approach is to examine its total cost over, say, a 50-year span.
Sadly British governments have not been good at this in the recent past. Let future generations pay. We need to get re-elected.
And so it is with legislation. To what extent is the law of unintended consequences taken into account when drafting new laws and regulations? Very little, particularly when they are of the Blairite variety designed to generate a quick headline.
Did anyone foresee ASBOs becoming a badge of honour among gangs of thugs? Was anyone canny enough to predict that excessive child protection legislation would bring about the closure of hundreds, if not thousands, of youth clubs, football teams and so on, leaving kids at potentially greater risk as they roam the streets, not to mention the deaths that will eventually result from obesity as they spend their lives parked in front of the telly or computer?
Let these risk assessors and actuaries really earn their money. Panels of politically-independent forecasters should be set up to examine from EVERY angle the long-term effects of every piece of legislation that restricts our freedoms. And if the “total lifetime cost” is too great, amend it or scrap it.
Me for PM.
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Don’t worry, Newmania. It’s neither a wierdo sect nor Hardyesque. What were you thinking? Some kind of Morris dancing, welly-throwing chorale? No, we’re actually a show chorus – a highly successful one – but I don’t want to go into much more detail as I’ve already embarrassed the national organisation enough with my tirades against this goddam child protection policy.
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Now this one is priceless. Apparently labour want to have special parent task forces to make sure parents are reading story rhymes with their children and to make sure parents who cannot are taught. Apparently “we must act now”! To me that sounds like allocating social workers to every family for the duration of the childs childhood. Considering the state of many care homes in Britain and the foster system I think Labour should sort out their priorities
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Boris Johnson
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Paul D and Newmania – interesting to hear of your choir links. Am very into all that in a big way. Love it.
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They are listened to as if they were adults (newmania)
I must have been about seven years old, and had just embarked on yet another transatlantic voyage on some passenger ship, when one of the ship’s officers told me that I must meet crewman X. “He’s wonderful with children,” the officer declared. I winced, imagining someone who did silly conjuring tricks or something. But I allowed myself to be led out to meet X, who was out on deck, leaning against the rail, and left there alone with him.
X, who must have been 35 or so, surveyed me briefly, asked a few questions, and then began to talk. He talked about ships, and he talked about the sea, and he talked about places he had visited. And after a while I suddenly realized that he was doing something that I’d never known any adult to do. He wasn’t talking down to me, but speaking to me as an equal. If I asked any question, he would think very carefully, and then give a very considered reply.
All X ever did was simply talk easily and conversationally. My opinion was as valid as his. And to be with him was to gain a sense of personal value, of personal worth, that I’d never experienced before. X’s ‘trick’ (no trick at all) with children was simply to talk to them as adults, and it was an immensely uplifting experience. He would even talk about his deepest feelings, which included his wish to give up being a seaman, and to get married. I could perfectly understand why children loved him: he briefly transformed them into adults.
I spent hours and hours talking to X on the two week voyage, immensely enjoying and learning from the experience. I never forgot it. He was, in some ways, one of the most wonderful men I ever met.
These days, such conversations could not happen. Awful suspicions would be raised. He would have been accused of paedophilia (and he quite clearly genuinely liked children, and perhaps found them easier to talk to than more judgmental and opinionated adults). So, crewman X would likely be tagged or in prison now, falsely accused of child abuse.
I wish that I could talk to children the way he did. But I generally find children tiresome, and end up talking down to them like everybody else – and thereby diminishing them. But I know that there’s a much better way to do it: I experienced it.
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One if your best posts Idlex .
A Show choir Paul !!!Now this is verging way of into the distance, but having gone to see The Sound of music, I have been dying to bore someone to tears with how good it is .Now I can see why old Moon face wanted to do it , he hardly needs the money .
We think of it as something that’s just there; overly sentimental and , those worst crimes against the modern (in)- sensibility, light , comic , poetic and sophisticated. It opened on Broadway in 1959 and, I would guess , was the last show of the incomparable duo R and H. There is an elegiac delicacy about it that is absolutely not what you expect Few big numbers for the coach party , but music scenery character and story knitted almost magically
It is strongly thematic .Music , life and the Hills of Austria are the subject of the arresting overture stating the main symbols, that will gather meaning. In the Nunnery Maria is, significantly, still out on the mountain ,, she is a “problem” , but Maria “makes me laugh” . The moral centre of the story is the Abbess, and in the show ,shorn of the need for cluttering reality ,the importance of the Nuns is more to the fore than one expects . The abbess sends her to find ,”Her dream “., to find herself
In the house of the Von Trapps she meets a bereaved man ,distant from his children and headed for a marriage he feels would be “appropriate”, with a Viennese sophisticate . She is everything that Maria is not She is rich , knowing and glamorous , but she cannot speak to the children and she does not know the mountains of Austria in her heart . Typically she is treated kindly as a divided character who seeing the nobility of Von Trapp , but unable to share it .Crucially she makes an accommodation with the Nazis. The Captain cannot
Maria rediscovers the Von Trapp music and through the course of some of the best songs. “Doe a deer ..” , “favourite things” , reawakens the family through musical fun . Half childlike herself she and the children create a new hope, “When you know the notes to sing , you can sing most everything ” This is music that does not advertise its complexity it appears to flow from the situation . The captain joins the life that Maria has brought
She dances with Von Trapp , a much older man than her , and says .”Its different to when you are girl isn’t it “. All is decided , “lets ask the children”. She returns ,once more, to the nunnery , now a woman ,and they are married.
Max the impecunious social butterfly ,who provides a cynical counterpoint , has mischeviosuly arranged that they appear in Salzburg for the folk festival . With the Nazi threat looming, Captain Von Trapp is offered a commission , and cannot refuse it outright . They must escape . He agrees to go as the newly invented ,Von Trapp family singers . They win the competition with Edelweiss. Edelweiss is the national flower of Austria and the song articulates mourning for its loss to the fascist jackboot . The children play their part ,with a comic orchestration of their play songs . Max finally shows the goodness we suspected ,and , by sacrificing himself ,allows them to escape to the nunnery.
Evil shows its dark face, as the family hide from stalking soldiers silhouetted in the moon light .Lisel , who herself is “sixteen going on seventeen” , sees Rolf , her first love for the last time as he redeems himself by passing the family by. Another passing from childhood to adulthood .
Then how will they escape , what can save them ? The roads are blocked .
They must go to the mountains .
Finally the forces of good combine. The Nuns and the children climb through the night , the mountain protects them as the Nunnery had .The last tableau is of the iconic group looking down on Switzerland . The bright dawn is rising
. The show builds to this end which coincides with the reprise of “Climb every mountain ” . Not the strongest song in the show but its placement is powerful. With all the threads tied ,and Leslie Garret on hand as the Abbess ,to give it some serious welly , the happy ending is entirely satisfying.
I would argue that the American wave was the cultural fact of the last century , that Rogers and Hammerstein are the best exponents of its most distinctive form .In this their swan song they created the most complete work of art ,bar none ,in the last hundred years . It is as perfect as Pride and Prejudice . It will last forever .
I did warn you it was going to be boring .If anyone is still with me , I `m not so sure this drama of the children innocence and morality is so irrelevant after all .
Oh well back to freaks and paedophiles . Sigh……
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We do a version of that, Newmania. It’s called The Sound of Mucous.
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Eew!
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Agree on the over – reaction Boris, it offends me slightly that I live in a society where I could not simle at a child without being suspected of ulterior motives.
But as for your problem, I’m surprised the kids aren’t instantly identifiable as yours by the distinctive Johnson thatch.
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I was in a disco last week when a woman grabbed my bottom and tried to grope my genitals. I punched her in the mouth so hard she flew aross the table and knocked the drink out of her laughing friends hands. It was really funny.
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Now that is an interesting development . I `ve sometimes wondered how women would behave if they could not rely on men
a To protect them
b Not to hurt them
I don`t notice any serious erosion of chivalry so far myself
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I don’t see the problem here, except that he didn’t also have her arrested. Believe me, intelligent women don’t generally expect to get away with shit like that; but then, we don’t generally try to pull it.
So to speak.
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Somebody’s just disqualified themselves from Teacher of the Year.
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I saw a terrifying fight last night on (and off ) the tube between two rival gangs . It appeared to be started by a girl or something to do with a girl any way. Who knows?
A girl was the causus bellum
Raincoaster you may not be aware of this but we have an escalating problem with “respect ” crime in London . Gangs called things like “Til death” and “full on” are regularly involved in knifings and , increasingly, gun crime .Low level drugs is the ostensible excuse but really it’s the violence that is the drug ( we have real drug crime to). This thought transfixed the on lookers as about 30 young men inflicted sickening assaults on eachother with one side very much getting the worst of it . Women also involved mostly shouting but joining in a bit . Noone dares break it up because of the risk of a knife .
I suppose such things have always happened pretty awe inspiring to see though
BY THE WAY- See how right I was about sound a of music ” A Star is Born “
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We Have a new thread, hallelujah.
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I saw a terrifying fight last night….
Yes. I have seen that stuff. It’s a consequence of removing fathers from the home I am sure. I hope the tories, (if they ever get back in power) will have the same courage as their Canadian counterparts and do this:
Women’s Groups Fear Tories will cut Funding of Militant Feminist Hate Groups
(Rights group forced to close, other organizations could follow as money dries up)
OTTAWA — A leading Canadian women’s rights group has been forced to close its office for lack of money and other federally financed organizations fear a similar fate as the Conservative government zeroes in on a promise to cut spending by $1 billion this fiscal year.
The prospect cheers Gwen Landolt, vice-presi¬dent of the pro-life, pro-family conservative lobby group REAL Women Canada and a fierce critic of federal funding of “feminist” and other special inter¬est groups.
“It’s simply an abuse of taxpayers’ money to fund only one ideology,” Landolt said in an interview.
Suspense over how much, if any, money will flow to women’s and other groups should end within the next week or so when the government tells Canadians what programs it plans to curb or kill to meet its budget commitment.
Opposition MPs accuse the government of using the spending review to dismantle by “stealth” the 30-year-old agency known as Status of Women Canada, which, among other things, hands out almost $11 million a year to groups committed to promoting gender equality and the full participation of women in society.
Bev Oda, minister responsible for the status of women, is playing her cards close to her chest, refus¬ing requests for interviews and sidestepping direct questions about possible funding cuts. Agency offi¬cials also have not returned repeated phone calls.
Under heated questioning in the House of Com¬mons this week, Oda said the government is com¬mitted to taking “dramatic” action to improve the lives of women.
But she also said money had been wasted on social and cultural groups in the past, and the gov¬ernment was determined to ensure it gets put to the best use in the future.
NDP MP Irene Mathyssen, the party’s status of women critic, said the government’s foot dragging on hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of pend¬ing funding applications from women’s group’s means programs are being cut one by one.
“We are raising the alarm,” Mathyssen said in an interview. “This government clearly has no interest in the status of women.”
The Ottawa-based National Association of Women and the Law NAWL, which has sought yearly finding of about $350AE to finance its advo¬cacy and research activities on such issues as equal pay for work of equal value, was forced to shutdown earlier this month — and lay off its two paid employees — after it ran out of funds.
NAWL treasurer Alison Dewar said the group, which is still paying rent on its office, hopes to reopen if it gets federal funding.
Landolt said the Harper government should kill Status of Women Canada.
“It [the agency] is based on the whole concept that women are victims of a patriarchal society,” Landolt said. “Nobody really believes that anymore. Its time has passed.”
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Actually the mods and rockers were having gang wars long ago, nothing to do with “removing fathers from the home”. But they were dealt with then by things called ‘policemen’ which were the most wonderful things you saw walking the streets keeping law and order. I don’t know about Canada but I think we should try them here. Again.
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Actually the mods and rockers were having gang wars long ago, nothing to do with “removing fathers from the home”. But they were dealt with then by things called ‘policemen’ which were the most wonderful things you saw walking the streets keeping law and order. I don’t know about Canada but I think we should try them here. Again.
How lovely and well mannered of you to talk down to me in that way as if I am an ignorant fool and you are the font of all wisdom.
Actually, the Mods and Rockers fights were a responce to the horrifically repressive lives that young people had to live under in the 1950′s. I remember well how every part of our young lives were regulated to the point utter lunacy. You were not even allowed to walk on the grass in public parks and there were little green signs everywhere warning us not to walk on the green stuff and large, ex army park keepers, often with huge Alsatian dogs, who made sure we did not. The frustration found its way onto the streets in the form of gang fights. That angry movement of the young was to go on and become the hippy movement and the skinheads and bikers.
ALL of the evidence points to the fact that so many children are growing up in single parent homes and that this is breeding crime. A recent study on fatherlessness shows that it is also breeding crime, drug use, self harming etc in our children.
Please don’t assume that everyone who comes here is as ill informed on these matters as you are. Many of us have spent years reading endless studies from all over the world and we know what we are talking about.
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SidSnotWozEre – we welcome all comments here but encourage comments on current affairs, such as the absence of policemen on the beat, rather than ad hominem argument.
Have you tried the forum yet? Perhaps you could start a thread about single mothers? Or perhaps about the gender most responsible for the “horrifically repressive lives” that gave rise to the violence you mentioned?
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Or perhaps about the gender most responsible for the “horrifically repressive lives” that gave rise to the violence you mentioned?
Oh, you mean, start a discussion that gives a purely feminist interpretation of the world around us by seperating every issues into gender lines so lots of screwed up females can point fingers and avoid responcibility for their part in world and local social events? No. Sorry. There is too much whining from women about how they are just poor little victims and everyone is against them and not enough facing up to their own responcibilities.
If however we must use gender as an argument then let’s do it fairly. For example, they (women)tell us that they have struggled alone to bring up children with virtually no help from men, for a hundred years or more. Well, in that case, all these dysfunctional men they keep whining about must have got their dysfunction from mummy because daddy was not there! Today, the streets are littered with more dysfuntional men and guess who has brought them up….? That’s right, single mums. It would appear then that if men are really being screwed up, it is mummy who is doing it, so perhaps we should let dads take over as the childs primary carer again. Let us give sole custody rights to the fathers once more and see if they can bring up more balanced children as it is obvious that women are failing so badly at it.
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SidSnotWozEre – not at all, I didn’t introduce “seperating every issue[s] into gender lines” I merely suggested you might like to try the forum. I’m not sure that many dad’s have ever been the primary carer but you obviously feel strongly about this issue. If you wish to continue commenting on this thread you are very welcome.
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Jaq: Thank you. If I gave you a link would you take the time to look at it?
I am trying to show you something. I realise that we have all been programmed to think that ANY critical comment aimed at anything females do is tantamount to treason. However, the rage of a growing amount of men around the world is not aimed at women in particular but at feminists in particular (male and female). These men have studied these things and many have been victims of them. We may not be the most erudite, intelligent debators and arguers on the planet but that does not mean we that what we are trying to warn people about has no value. We truly believe that if people do not wake up soon there will be an explosion of collective male rage like nothing we have seen before. F4J (who I am NOT a member of) is just the start of what will develop into something much more focused and dangerous. No one wants to see that happen but only waking up the right people can stop it.
I do not know you, you may be one of those on the side of the feminists. You may be a neutral. You may not even be aware of the issues involved, or you may be fully aware. I am posting here because the article Boris wrote will lead others here. I want them to wake up too.
This country, like many others in the west, is in the midst of silent , creeping coup. The structures of it have been gradually put in place over many years. Canada is waking up thanks to the efforts of hundreds of men and few excellent women. Before you write this off as paranoid rambling, PLEASE take the time to check it out. Study the better mens sites. Ignore the anger and fury and read carefully what they are saying.
You could do worse than start at the following site to see the source of the problem: http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/wlm/mcafee/
Then look here: http://www.cddc.vt.edu/feminism/mar.html
The stated aims of feminism are the elimination of the family and the raising of children without fathers. Their power base is the domestic violence industry (which studiously refuses to help men) and the family court system in the western world. Men are not going to sit back and watch as their families are destroyed by these people. They are programmed genitically to protect their families.
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what is f4j?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fathers_for_justice
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I’m afraid I have to stand up for BA. (Well – someone has to!)
I take your point, Boris, that the probability of an adult male chosen at random being a paedophile is minuscule. But now, consider how many adult males fly on BA. Hundreds of thousands per year – maybe even millions! – I really do not know, but a quick internet search should get us that information. Now, take this figure, and take the probability of said random chap being a paedophile (another quick internet search), and you should be able to work out the average number of paedophiles one may expect to be flying on BA. Small, perhaps, but not zero. (The formulas to calculate this should be in any good book on statistics.)
Now, imagine what would happen if there were to be one – yes, just one – case of a child being molested on a BA flight. Quite apart from the distress to the child in question, can you imagine the headlines? The law-suits? And is it really surprising that BA do what they can to prevent something like this happening? They are, like any other company, trying to make a few honest pennies, and one could hardly blame them if they take steps to avoid this sort of incident.
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SidSnotWozEre – yes of course I will look at the links.
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Billy Bones…Yes. But the problem has always existed and it is NOT just men [Ed: need for moderation of text]
The politics of fear this country has decended into under this government is creating these strange and bizare occurences. Every time I leave home I expect to see the streets littered with
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t Takes A Village
It takes a village (so we’re told), to raise a child today.
It takes a village (we reply), to steal his heart away,
To purge old-fashioned do’s and don’ts from his enlightened mind,
To leave old fashioned Ma and Pa a hundred years behind.
It takes a village, verily, to teach some mother’s son,
To steal and gamble, smoke and swear, and vandalize for fun.
His mother didn’t teach him that! His father? No, not he.
It takes a village to corrupt, a village, verily.
It takes a village, this we know, to teach the maidens sweet,
To dress and act, to look and talk, like women of the street.
It takes a village, not a doubt, to teach a maiden mild,
To save the monkeys, owls, and whales, and kill her unborn child.
It takes a village public school, some subtle classroom chats,
To teach the little boys and girls to act like alley cats.
To teach them of the birds and bees, without morality,
To teach them what to do, and how, and tell them they are free.
It takes a village, yes indeed, to brainwash all the youth,
With notions and with fallacies, In place of sense and truth.
Abortion rights! The right to die! The rights of animals!
Creative spelling! Unisex! The rights of criminals!
It takes a village, well we know, to turn their minds away,
To stand for fancied “children’s rights”, and parents’ rights deny.
To honor human nature less, And trees and rivers more.
To sacrifice to Mother Earth, and Father God ignore.
“It takes a village,” so they say, but something more they mean.
United Nations. Washington. The liberal machine.
Society. The “Brave New World.” The socialistic scheme.
The global ideology. The New World Order dream!
Glenn Conjurske
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Melissa,
Have you seen oxfams gift ideas. They are quite a good way to get away from the commercialism of christams as it lets you buy a “gift” for a developing country on behalf of you chosen person. You can buy lots of different things such as trees, textbooks, school, dinners, goats etc.
[Ed: thanks K, see next posting...]
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wrong posting
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First they came for the fathers, then for the mothers, and now for both parents in intact families.[Ed: moderated comment]
Entire families could be put into care in radical plan
1.00pm Saturday November 18, 2006
Dysfunctional families rife with drug and welfare dependency could be the taken into care as part of radical social welfare changes by the Government.
Intensive family therapy — which can include removing members from their home — is one option the Social Development Ministry is examining as it works to deal with dysfunctional homes , The Dominion Post reported today.
The proposal is understood to have been considered in the wake of the Kahui twins’ deaths.
Green MP Sue Bradford backs the approach, which is common in Sweden.
The entire family — not just the child — often went into care, usually in an apartment, where they had access to 24-hour support services, the newspaper reported.
At a parliamentary select committee this week Ms Bradford asked Social Development Ministry chief executive Peter Hughes whether consideration had been given to the approach here.
Mr Hughes said the Government was carrying out a pilot programme working with dysfunctional families and, after that, “we may need to use an intensive family therapy approach”.
A Social Development Ministry spokeswoman said intensive family therapy was a well-established technique, aimed at getting people to review their behaviour and the consequences of their actions.
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Here’s one for Newmania, Eric Poade etc and all his multiple manic personality disorders with which we waste SO much time arguing (a really good reason to make the sign-in process more stringent as I am certain he is a Labour Party agent provocateur – and I’m NOT talking about the lingerie line here Newmania – whose mission in life is to make us all look stupid and in which he is succeeding admirably) and all of whose non de guerres are immediately recognizable by their wretched spelling and rampaging misogynism, but aside from all that, this is actually very funny by itself for all that it wittily illustrates the misogynist male attitude of our times:
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Interestingly, the question of whether 17-year-old boys having sex with 15-year-old girls were paedophiles got an airing on the news a few days back.
The pseudo-pundit hauled in to answer the question said that, well, of course it wasn’t paedophilia, but that social workers would be able to make the appropriate professional judgment.
Why can’t such questions just be left to those involved, children and parents and friends? Since when have social workers acquired deeper insights into human nature than ordinary people?
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It was a very topical and informative article by Boris.
I was in a dilema about which airline to use for my unaccompanied 9 year old daughter for her upcoming equestrian competition. Thanks for letting me know that BA will fulfil my safety concerns adequately.
As for the paedo’s; well if only they allowed castration of serious or repeat offenders. It would make life so much easier for most of us; the deterent factor would certainly enforce self enforced retraint on anyone who harbours any untoward desires. And everyone would be able to sit wherever they liked without unnecessary suspicion.
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