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		<title>By: Servetus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Servetus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cre•dence n.
1. Acceptance as true or valid; belief. See Synonyms at belief.
2. Claim to acceptance; trustworthiness.
3. Recommendation; credentials: a letter of credence.
4. A small table or shelf for holding the bread, wine, and vessels of the Eucharist when they are not in use at the altar.

cred•i•bil•i•ty  n.
1. The quality, capability, or power to elicit belief: &quot;America&#039;s credibility must not be squandered, especially by its leaders&quot; Henry A. Kissinger.
2. A capacity for belief: a story that strained our credibility.

I suppose &quot;trustworthiness&quot; is even more appropriate, in this circumstance, than &quot;power to elicit belief&quot;. So I recognize I was being just unduly fussy.

&lt;b&gt;Newton&lt;/b&gt; was certainly (albeit secretly) anti-trinitarian. Whether he was Strict Monotheist (viz. he believed that Jesus is Son of God only in the domain of time, that is only since he was born from Mary) or rather Arian (viz. he believed the Son was not fully God, yet the first, fully spiritual, creature of God, by means of whom all the rest of creation had been carried out; and only secondarily &quot;son&quot; in the sense of &quot;born of a woman&quot;), is still a subject for debate.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cre•dence n.<br />
1. Acceptance as true or valid; belief. See Synonyms at belief.<br />
2. Claim to acceptance; trustworthiness.<br />
3. Recommendation; credentials: a letter of credence.<br />
4. A small table or shelf for holding the bread, wine, and vessels of the Eucharist when they are not in use at the altar.</p>
<p>cred•i•bil•i•ty  n.<br />
1. The quality, capability, or power to elicit belief: &#8220;America&#8217;s credibility must not be squandered, especially by its leaders&#8221; Henry A. Kissinger.<br />
2. A capacity for belief: a story that strained our credibility.</p>
<p>I suppose &#8220;trustworthiness&#8221; is even more appropriate, in this circumstance, than &#8220;power to elicit belief&#8221;. So I recognize I was being just unduly fussy.</p>
<p><b>Newton</b> was certainly (albeit secretly) anti-trinitarian. Whether he was Strict Monotheist (viz. he believed that Jesus is Son of God only in the domain of time, that is only since he was born from Mary) or rather Arian (viz. he believed the Son was not fully God, yet the first, fully spiritual, creature of God, by means of whom all the rest of creation had been carried out; and only secondarily &#8220;son&#8221; in the sense of &#8220;born of a woman&#8221;), is still a subject for debate.</p>
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		<title>By: negatron</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 10:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blimey!
this thread is now way over my head. Maybe my English teacher was right after all.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blimey!<br />
this thread is now way over my head. Maybe my English teacher was right after all.</p>
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		<title>By: idlex</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 23:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isaac Newton, for one, would have agreed with you about trinitarianism.

And what&#039;s your problem with &#039;credence&#039;? One of its meanings is &#039;something supporting a claim to belief, recommendation&#039;. I see no problem.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isaac Newton, for one, would have agreed with you about trinitarianism.</p>
<p>And what&#8217;s your problem with &#8216;credence&#8217;? One of its meanings is &#8216;something supporting a claim to belief, recommendation&#8217;. I see no problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Servetus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Servetus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 20:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>idlex:

&lt;i&gt;And the Copernican revolution is just a term for a process of discovery which, in many ways, still continues.&lt;/i&gt;

This is wrong, but I won&#039;t dispute it, unless you insist.

&lt;i&gt;And are you claiming that if some notion is in the Bible, then that lends it a credence &lt;/i&gt;[sic]&lt;i&gt; not to be found elsewhere? And that you reject (if you do indeed reject) the Trinity because it&#039;s not in the Bible?&lt;/i&gt;

I have already (not only claimed but) &lt;b&gt;argued&lt;/b&gt; that the biblical God YHWH, to be found in the Bible, is &lt;b&gt;incompatible&lt;/b&gt; with any form (&quot;christian&quot; or Egyptian or other) of Trinity. I &lt;b&gt;claim&lt;/b&gt; that Strict Monotheism (non-trinitarian) is the only authentic form of Christianity (although probably recognized by less than 1% Christians). It is not a problem of credibility, but of compatibility

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>idlex:</p>
<p><i>And the Copernican revolution is just a term for a process of discovery which, in many ways, still continues.</i></p>
<p>This is wrong, but I won&#8217;t dispute it, unless you insist.</p>
<p><i>And are you claiming that if some notion is in the Bible, then that lends it a credence </i>[sic]<i> not to be found elsewhere? And that you reject (if you do indeed reject) the Trinity because it&#8217;s not in the Bible?</i></p>
<p>I have already (not only claimed but) <b>argued</b> that the biblical God YHWH, to be found in the Bible, is <b>incompatible</b> with any form (&#8220;christian&#8221; or Egyptian or other) of Trinity. I <b>claim</b> that Strict Monotheism (non-trinitarian) is the only authentic form of Christianity (although probably recognized by less than 1% Christians). It is not a problem of credibility, but of compatibility</p>
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		<title>By: idlex</title>
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		<dc:creator>idlex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 17:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; For an excellent depiction of all this see Arthur Koestler: The Sleepwalkers.&lt;/i&gt; (Servetus)

It is indeed an excellent book. And the Copernican revolution is just a term for a process of discovery which, in many ways, still continues.

And are you claiming that if some notion is in the Bible, then that lends it a credence not to be found elsewhere? And that you reject (if you do indeed reject) the Trinity because it&#039;s not in the Bible?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> For an excellent depiction of all this see Arthur Koestler: The Sleepwalkers.</i> (Servetus)</p>
<p>It is indeed an excellent book. And the Copernican revolution is just a term for a process of discovery which, in many ways, still continues.</p>
<p>And are you claiming that if some notion is in the Bible, then that lends it a credence not to be found elsewhere? And that you reject (if you do indeed reject) the Trinity because it&#8217;s not in the Bible?</p>
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		<title>By: Servetus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Servetus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Apologies Servetus, but your summary isn&#039;t at all what I was meaning!
Incidentally I don&#039;t claim myself any of the things I posted, or guarantee their truth.&lt;/i&gt;

Jack,

must confess that mine was a deliberate, calculated provocation, to see if you would endorse the &quot;stuff&quot; the you were reporting. I am kind of relieved to find out that you do not share the rather fantastic things you were &quot;throwing into the pot&quot;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Apologies Servetus, but your summary isn&#8217;t at all what I was meaning!<br />
Incidentally I don&#8217;t claim myself any of the things I posted, or guarantee their truth.</i></p>
<p>Jack,</p>
<p>must confess that mine was a deliberate, calculated provocation, to see if you would endorse the &#8220;stuff&#8221; the you were reporting. I am kind of relieved to find out that you do not share the rather fantastic things you were &#8220;throwing into the pot&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Servetus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Servetus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There isn&#039;t any &lt;b&gt;specific&lt;/b&gt; idea here [with the cosmology of Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo and Newton], but one that keeps changing as successive thinkers adapt and adjust it.&lt;/i&gt; [idlex]

I dare say there is (a specific idea), so much so that we still speak of &quot;Copernican revolution&quot;. That it was not original, that Aristarchus of Samos (310-230 BCE) had already proposed at the time of Hellenistic civilization, does not change the fact that it was revolutionary, even in his days: and Aristarchus was in fact ostracized, and his heliocentric model of the solar system soon forgotten, or rather ignored. For an excellent depiction of all this see Arthur Koestler: &lt;i&gt;The Sleepwalkers. A History of Man&#039;s Changing Vision of the Universe &lt;/i&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;You may dismiss it as &#039;heathen&#039;, but that&#039;s like dismissing something because it&#039;s &#039;French&#039;. It is of no consequence where an idea comes from, or who has it. It&#039;s only the idea that matters.&lt;/i&gt; [idlex]

I am not &#039;dismissing&#039; the Trinity because it is &#039;heathen&#039;: if you read carefully I am &lt;b&gt;claiming&lt;/b&gt; that it is (heathen), and therefore, that it has got nothing to do with the Bible and with the strict monotheist notion of God (YHWH) that is found there. Of course one can make the desperate attempt to claim that YHWH is a &quot;local Palestinian disguise&quot; for the Egyptian God Aten, but I claim all this is nothing but hocus-pocus, and worse. An indirect evidence is that one of the most vocal supporters of this &quot;theory&quot; was &lt;b&gt;Savitri Devi&lt;/b&gt; (see her book &lt;i&gt;Son of the Sun: The Life and Philosophy of Akhnaton, King of Egypt&lt;/i&gt;- and  Wikipedia&#039;s entry &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savitri_Devi_Mukherji&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savitri_Devi_Mukherji&lt;/a&gt; ), a woman of mixed ethnicity (French, English, Italian and Greek blood) and enthusiast of a concoction of esoteric Hindu and Nazi doctrines.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There isn&#8217;t any <b>specific</b> idea here [with the cosmology of Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo and Newton], but one that keeps changing as successive thinkers adapt and adjust it.</i> [idlex]</p>
<p>I dare say there is (a specific idea), so much so that we still speak of &#8220;Copernican revolution&#8221;. That it was not original, that Aristarchus of Samos (310-230 BCE) had already proposed at the time of Hellenistic civilization, does not change the fact that it was revolutionary, even in his days: and Aristarchus was in fact ostracized, and his heliocentric model of the solar system soon forgotten, or rather ignored. For an excellent depiction of all this see Arthur Koestler: <i>The Sleepwalkers. A History of Man&#8217;s Changing Vision of the Universe </i>.</p>
<p><i>You may dismiss it as &#8216;heathen&#8217;, but that&#8217;s like dismissing something because it&#8217;s &#8216;French&#8217;. It is of no consequence where an idea comes from, or who has it. It&#8217;s only the idea that matters.</i> [idlex]</p>
<p>I am not &#8216;dismissing&#8217; the Trinity because it is &#8216;heathen&#8217;: if you read carefully I am <b>claiming</b> that it is (heathen), and therefore, that it has got nothing to do with the Bible and with the strict monotheist notion of God (YHWH) that is found there. Of course one can make the desperate attempt to claim that YHWH is a &#8220;local Palestinian disguise&#8221; for the Egyptian God Aten, but I claim all this is nothing but hocus-pocus, and worse. An indirect evidence is that one of the most vocal supporters of this &#8220;theory&#8221; was <b>Savitri Devi</b> (see her book <i>Son of the Sun: The Life and Philosophy of Akhnaton, King of Egypt</i>- and  Wikipedia&#8217;s entry <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savitri_Devi_Mukherji" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savitri_Devi_Mukherji</a> ), a woman of mixed ethnicity (French, English, Italian and Greek blood) and enthusiast of a concoction of esoteric Hindu and Nazi doctrines.</p>
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		<title>By: Servetus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Servetus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 10:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If it hadn&#039;t trodden firmly on the &lt;b&gt;corns of christianity&lt;/b&gt; and the roman catholic church in particular we would never have heard of it.&lt;/i&gt; [Negatron]

Talking about &quot;corns&quot;, what about &quot;crop circles&quot;? What about the &quot;saucer frienzy&quot; in the 40-50&#039;s? Anything would do, as Carl Jung argued. People crave the supernatural or at least to find out that we are not alone in the Universe, on Earth, this &quot;small flower bed that makes us all so wild&quot; (&lt;i&gt;l&#039;aiuola che ci fa tanto feroci&lt;/i&gt;), as Dante put it in his &lt;i&gt;Divine Comedy&lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If it hadn&#8217;t trodden firmly on the <b>corns of christianity</b> and the roman catholic church in particular we would never have heard of it.</i> [Negatron]</p>
<p>Talking about &#8220;corns&#8221;, what about &#8220;crop circles&#8221;? What about the &#8220;saucer frienzy&#8221; in the 40-50&#8242;s? Anything would do, as Carl Jung argued. People crave the supernatural or at least to find out that we are not alone in the Universe, on Earth, this &#8220;small flower bed that makes us all so wild&#8221; (<i>l&#8217;aiuola che ci fa tanto feroci</i>), as Dante put it in his <i>Divine Comedy</i></p>
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		<title>By: Negatron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Negatron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 08:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DVC is a load of &quot;drivel&quot; ( as my english teacher used to write on my school essays). If it hadn&#039;t trodden firmly on the corns of christianity and the roman catholic church in particular we would never have heard of it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DVC is a load of &#8220;drivel&#8221; ( as my english teacher used to write on my school essays). If it hadn&#8217;t trodden firmly on the corns of christianity and the roman catholic church in particular we would never have heard of it.</p>
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		<title>By: idlex</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 02:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right about Thera&#039;s dating. The archaeological dating puts it at more like 1500 BC, and it would mess up all the archaeological dates to change it to the tree ring / ice core dates.

There are people who say that the Egyptian chronology is wrong too.

But I&#039;ve read that there are no known reports from Egypt of the eruption of Thera. However if it happened during the Hyksos intermediate period, when Egypt was occupied, there may well not have been a system of reporting active.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right about Thera&#8217;s dating. The archaeological dating puts it at more like 1500 BC, and it would mess up all the archaeological dates to change it to the tree ring / ice core dates.</p>
<p>There are people who say that the Egyptian chronology is wrong too.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ve read that there are no known reports from Egypt of the eruption of Thera. However if it happened during the Hyksos intermediate period, when Egypt was occupied, there may well not have been a system of reporting active.</p>
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