Comments on: Labour’s Law and Order http://www.boris-johnson.com/2006/04/27/labours-law-and-order/ Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:46:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Steven_L http://www.boris-johnson.com/2006/04/27/labours-law-and-order/comment-page-4/#comment-10509 Steven_L Wed, 24 May 2006 18:29:21 +0000 http://80.82.117.242/?p=266#comment-10509 Manxcat said: 'The Howards and Johnsons are part of the same terrible political order, whatever you might think about those affable, kind-hearted Tories.' I reckon he/she is one of those revolutionary communist types that sends disillusioned vegetarians out into the street to sell newspapers full of articles about hypocricy. Manxcat said: ‘The Howards and Johnsons are part of the same terrible political order, whatever you might think about those affable, kind-hearted Tories.’

I reckon he/she is one of those revolutionary communist types that sends disillusioned vegetarians out into the street to sell newspapers full of articles about hypocricy.

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]]> By: Vredesbyrd http://www.boris-johnson.com/2006/04/27/labours-law-and-order/comment-page-4/#comment-10508 Vredesbyrd Fri, 19 May 2006 21:00:02 +0000 http://80.82.117.242/?p=266#comment-10508 I do feel that labour are going over board with the legislations. I thought that the terrorism act, where they can lock you in your own house without a trial, was one of the worst things that could happen and would cause far more harm than the actual terrorism itself. It's merely giving in to them, they cause the most damage not by the bombings or whatever themselves but by the fear and panic it causes thereby causing governments to harm their own citizens. However I also didn't see the conservatives voting against it that effectively. It's the same with this. You're very happy to talk about how Labour are doing so badly at all this and how they're only doing it to get votes but are any of the other parties any better? I sense a bit of hypocrisy going on here. The pot calling the kettle black. I commend and completely agree with your views. Clamping down on civil liberties really helps no one but those who you're trying to stop. I do feel that labour are going over board with the legislations. I thought that the terrorism act, where they can lock you in your own house without a trial, was one of the worst things that could happen and would cause far more harm than the actual terrorism itself. It’s merely giving in to them, they cause the most damage not by the bombings or whatever themselves but by the fear and panic it causes thereby causing governments to harm their own citizens. However I also didn’t see the conservatives voting against it that effectively.

It’s the same with this. You’re very happy to talk about how Labour are doing so badly at all this and how they’re only doing it to get votes but are any of the other parties any better? I sense a bit of hypocrisy going on here. The pot calling the kettle black.

I commend and completely agree with your views. Clamping down on civil liberties really helps no one but those who you’re trying to stop.

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]]> By: manxcat http://www.boris-johnson.com/2006/04/27/labours-law-and-order/comment-page-4/#comment-10507 manxcat Tue, 16 May 2006 09:55:23 +0000 http://80.82.117.242/?p=266#comment-10507 Yes - I can think of someone who would benefit from spending a little more time alone - with his family, for example... Ah, you do remember John Major and 'back to basics', I presume? How I long for the return of those good old days. Yes – I can think of someone who would benefit from spending a little more time alone – with his family, for example… Ah, you do remember John Major and ‘back to basics’, I presume? How I long for the return of those good old days.

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]]> By: raincoaster http://www.boris-johnson.com/2006/04/27/labours-law-and-order/comment-page-4/#comment-10506 raincoaster Tue, 16 May 2006 08:46:12 +0000 http://80.82.117.242/?p=266#comment-10506 My, my, looks like somebody needs a little <i>"alone time."</i> My, my, looks like somebody needs a little “alone time.”

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]]> By: manxcat http://www.boris-johnson.com/2006/04/27/labours-law-and-order/comment-page-4/#comment-10505 manxcat Mon, 15 May 2006 18:32:56 +0000 http://80.82.117.242/?p=266#comment-10505 For an idiot who thinks it's ok to talk about shooting people in the crotch, I'd say nothing's above ol' Psimon. He also thinks that because I object to him talking about shooting someone in the crotch that I must be an admirer of that person ('Fool!' to quote Psimple Psimon). Regardless, stealing people's resources is bad? Go tell that to every Western government that's trampled over Johnny Foreigner's ghastly non-democratic country. The point is, don't think your hero from Henley is any better than your hate figure currently residing in Downing St. Don't you see? The Howards and Johnsons are part of the same terrible political order, whatever you might think about those affable, kind-hearted Tories . Above all, why do you think it's ok to send e.mails to this website that sound so violent and psychotic? Just because it's Boris's site does that make it all a joke? You talk about depth of feeling - but how does that sanction the kind of mad things you were saying about killing the prime minister? Does that make me a supporter of the PM? No. Does that make me someone horrified by the casual way you talk about such things? Yes. Just because it's Blair doesn't justify your 'insulting, inflammatory' language... For an idiot who thinks it’s ok to talk about shooting people in the crotch, I’d say nothing’s above ol’ Psimon. He also thinks that because I object to him talking about shooting someone in the crotch that I must be an admirer of that person (‘Fool!’ to quote Psimple Psimon).
Regardless, stealing people’s resources is bad? Go tell that to every Western government that’s trampled over Johnny Foreigner’s ghastly non-democratic country. The point is, don’t think your hero from Henley is any better than your hate figure currently residing in Downing St. Don’t you see? The Howards and Johnsons are part of the same terrible political order, whatever you might think about those affable, kind-hearted Tories .
Above all, why do you think it’s ok to send e.mails to this website that sound so violent and psychotic? Just because it’s Boris’s site does that make it all a joke? You talk about depth of feeling – but how does that sanction the kind of mad things you were saying about killing the prime minister? Does that make me a supporter of the PM? No. Does that make me someone horrified by the casual way you talk about such things? Yes. Just because it’s Blair doesn’t justify your ‘insulting, inflammatory’ language…

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]]> By: raincoaster http://www.boris-johnson.com/2006/04/27/labours-law-and-order/comment-page-4/#comment-10504 raincoaster Sat, 13 May 2006 04:05:18 +0000 http://80.82.117.242/?p=266#comment-10504 Psimon, please don't descend to the level of using "Mkay" in any form. You're above all that. Psimon, please don’t descend to the level of using “Mkay” in any form. You’re above all that.

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]]> By: Psimon http://www.boris-johnson.com/2006/04/27/labours-law-and-order/comment-page-4/#comment-10503 Psimon Fri, 12 May 2006 18:13:44 +0000 http://80.82.117.242/?p=266#comment-10503 <<i>you seem to think insults and crudity are an acceptable replacement for argument.</i> How did i insult you? And where did crudity REPLACE argument? <<i> But as I've told you before, the Tory Party leader went on record last year as saying he would have gone to war anyway, because the fact is he was as desperate to suck up to Bush as was Blair. And your man from Henley is of the same ilk.</i> And this makes it ok, does it? Fool! <<i>Your concern for those hundreds of thousands Blair "ordered" to be killed (that many? where's the statistic from?) is touching. Do you think Howard and the Tories would have done anything different?</i> Regardless, killing people so you can steal their resources is bad, m'kay? <<i>I also didn't realise that those who sit in Parliament Square and protest against the government were beyond criticism.</i> You didn't criticise, you chose a pointless insult. And the main point is that protest outside parliament would only be made illegal by a government that had much to hide, surely? <<i>Some might well see any action that serves to undermine our boys in the field in times of war as treacherous...</i> I fully support "our boys", its the thieving gits that gave the orders for them to be involved in an illegal war in the first place i have a grudge against. <<i>And might I add that when you look at the foul-mouthed garbage you've spouted here against Blair I would have to ask what's going on in your sick mind: just think about what you've written. Is it meant to be funny?</i> The language is merely accentuating the depth of feeling i have against this dictatorial totatilitarian freedom-taker you seem to admire so much. <<i>It's not, I can tell you. Maybe you're a genuine psycho, and this stuff really is a fantasy that turns around in your mind. I hope not for your sake.</i> Go look up "Martin Niemoller" /rolls eyes /dispairs of idiots < you seem to think insults and crudity are an acceptable replacement for argument.
How did i insult you? And where did crudity REPLACE argument?

< But as I’ve told you before, the Tory Party leader went on record last year as saying he would have gone to war anyway, because the fact is he was as desperate to suck up to Bush as was Blair. And your man from Henley is of the same ilk.
And this makes it ok, does it? Fool!

< Your concern for those hundreds of thousands Blair “ordered” to be killed (that many? where’s the statistic from?) is touching. Do you think Howard and the Tories would have done anything different?
Regardless, killing people so you can steal their resources is bad, m’kay?

< I also didn’t realise that those who sit in Parliament Square and protest against the government were beyond criticism.
You didn’t criticise, you chose a pointless insult. And the main point is that protest outside parliament would only be made illegal by a government that had much to hide, surely?

< Some might well see any action that serves to undermine our boys in the field in times of war as treacherous…
I fully support “our boys”, its the thieving gits that gave the orders for them to be involved in an illegal war in the first place i have a grudge against.

< And might I add that when you look at the foul-mouthed garbage you’ve spouted here against Blair I would have to ask what’s going on in your sick mind: just think about what you’ve written. Is it meant to be funny?
The language is merely accentuating the depth of feeling i have against this dictatorial totatilitarian freedom-taker you seem to admire so much.

< It’s not, I can tell you. Maybe you’re a genuine psycho, and this stuff really is a fantasy that turns around in your mind. I hope not for your sake.
Go look up “Martin Niemoller”

/rolls eyes
/dispairs of idiots

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]]> By: sympson1 http://www.boris-johnson.com/2006/04/27/labours-law-and-order/comment-page-4/#comment-10502 sympson1 Thu, 11 May 2006 14:38:39 +0000 http://80.82.117.242/?p=266#comment-10502 Manxcat - I think I see the point you're making. Here's Boris only last year: "Yesterday the Italian government of Silvio Berlusconi - formerly a fervent supporter of the war - announced that it was pulling the 3,000 Italians out, in response to the killing of an Italian security operative at the hands of American troops. I think that is sad and regrettable. Something very remarkable is happening in Baghdad, and whatever the rights and wrongs of the war, those of us who were involved in it should stay until this nascent democracy is safe. As I poked through one of Saddam's bunkers yesterday morning, I came across a reminder of how much has been achieved, and why it was right to do it. It was a fantastic bunker, built by the Germans, with three-ton steel doors supplied by the Swiss. There were map rooms and war rooms and huge untouched generators, machines built by Siemens of Germany and Bobinindus of Belgium, so colossal that they had defeated even the looters. There were emergency operating rooms, and places where corpses were allegedly stored. But as we poked around with our torches, the spookiest detail we discovered concerned the security system. Saddam cared so much about his bunker, and so little about the loss of human life, that he had installed a system to combat fire. As soon as there was the risk of losing the premises, they were automatically programmed to fill with halon gas, suppressing oxygen - and killing any human being left in his creepy passages. That is the kind of man he was, and the kind of regime he ran: where people could not only be tortured and killed, but where the safety of his employees counted for nothing. And why did they count for nothing? Because they could not vote to punish him for his madness. That is why we need to keep working to make this democracy thrive in Iraq, and that is why it is so wrong of the Italians to retire. As it happens, Mr Berlusconi was wrong in his whole handling of the rescue of Giuliana Sgrena. By paying a huge ransom to the kidnappers, he merely added incentive to the nutcases to kidnap others; he raised the risks for the hundreds of British, among others, who are struggling to help rebuild the country. Efforts to provide water, sewers and electricity are already being hampered by the need for every Western worker to be accompanied by his or her own private security detail, composed of hugely competent Ulstermen with shades and pistols on their thighs. The security problems are not only frightening; they are frighteningly expensive. We need Western troops to remain here until the Iraqis are capable of fighting the terrorists themselves. The day may not be far off, but in the meantime I did not meet a single person here who wanted us to leave - far from it - or who regretted the change we have brought about. Having started this operation, whatever its faults, we have a moral duty to help see it through. If that means sending more British troops to make up for the Italian deficiency, we may have to do it - and there would be many brave Brits in Iraq who would agree." You have to say, that's an eloquent defence of Britain's involvement in Iraq - it seems it was a legitimate conquest in order to install democracy! This certainly doesn't give me confidence that the Conservatives have any intention of ending our presence there. In fact, quite the opposite. It must be nice for Bliar to know he has at least one chap on his side, though... Or has Boris changed his mind yet again on this one? Manxcat – I think I see the point you’re making. Here’s Boris only last year:

“Yesterday the Italian government of Silvio Berlusconi – formerly a fervent supporter of the war – announced that it was pulling the 3,000 Italians out, in response to the killing of an Italian security operative at the hands of American troops. I think that is sad and regrettable. Something very remarkable is happening in Baghdad, and whatever the rights and wrongs of the war, those of us who were involved in it should stay until this nascent democracy is safe.
As I poked through one of Saddam’s bunkers yesterday morning, I came across a reminder of how much has been achieved, and why it was right to do it. It was a fantastic bunker, built by the Germans, with three-ton steel doors supplied by the Swiss. There were map rooms and war rooms and huge untouched generators, machines built by Siemens of Germany and Bobinindus of Belgium, so colossal that they had defeated even the looters. There were emergency operating rooms, and places where corpses were allegedly stored.
But as we poked around with our torches, the spookiest detail we discovered concerned the security system. Saddam cared so much about his bunker, and so little about the loss of human life, that he had installed a system to combat fire. As soon as there was the risk of losing the premises, they were automatically programmed to fill with halon gas, suppressing oxygen – and killing any human being left in his creepy passages. That is the kind of man he was, and the kind of regime he ran: where people could not only be tortured and killed, but where the safety of his employees counted for nothing.
And why did they count for nothing? Because they could not vote to punish him for his madness. That is why we need to keep working to make this democracy thrive in Iraq, and that is why it is so wrong of the Italians to retire. As it happens, Mr Berlusconi was wrong in his whole handling of the rescue of Giuliana Sgrena. By paying a huge ransom to the kidnappers, he merely added incentive to the nutcases to kidnap others; he raised the risks for the hundreds of British, among others, who are struggling to help rebuild the country.
Efforts to provide water, sewers and electricity are already being hampered by the need for every Western worker to be accompanied by his or her own private security detail, composed of hugely competent Ulstermen with shades and pistols on their thighs. The security problems are not only frightening; they are frighteningly expensive. We need Western troops to remain here until the Iraqis are capable of fighting the terrorists themselves. The day may not be far off, but in the meantime I did not meet a single person here who wanted us to leave – far from it – or who regretted the change we have brought about.
Having started this operation, whatever its faults, we have a moral duty to help see it through. If that means sending more British troops to make up for the Italian deficiency, we may have to do it – and there would be many brave Brits in Iraq who would agree.”

You have to say, that’s an eloquent defence of Britain’s involvement in Iraq – it seems it was a legitimate conquest in order to install democracy! This certainly doesn’t give me confidence that the Conservatives have any intention of ending our presence there. In fact, quite the opposite. It must be nice for Bliar to know he has at least one chap on his side, though… Or has Boris changed his mind yet again on this one?

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]]> By: manxcat http://www.boris-johnson.com/2006/04/27/labours-law-and-order/comment-page-4/#comment-10501 manxcat Thu, 11 May 2006 12:38:38 +0000 http://80.82.117.242/?p=266#comment-10501 Psimon - you seem to think insults and crudity are an acceptable replacement for argument. But as I've told you before, the Tory Party leader went on record last year as saying he would have gone to war anyway, because the fact is he was as desperate to suck up to Bush as was Blair. And your man from Henley is of the same ilk. Your concern for those hundreds of thousands Blair "ordered" to be killed (that many? where's the statistic from?) is touching. Do you think Howard and the Tories would have done anything different? I also didn't realise that those who sit in Parliament Square and protest against the government were beyond criticism. Some might well see any action that serves to undermine our boys in the field in times of war as treacherous... And might I add that when you look at the foul-mouthed garbage you've spouted here against Blair I would have to ask what's going on in your sick mind: just think about what you've written. Is it meant to be funny? It's not, I can tell you. Maybe you're a genuine psycho, and this stuff really is a fantasy that turns around in your mind. I hope not for your sake. Psimon – you seem to think insults and crudity are an acceptable replacement for argument. But as I’ve told you before, the Tory Party leader went on record last year as saying he would have gone to war anyway, because the fact is he was as desperate to suck up to Bush as was Blair. And your man from Henley is of the same ilk. Your concern for those hundreds of thousands Blair “ordered” to be killed (that many? where’s the statistic from?) is touching. Do you think Howard and the Tories would have done anything different?

I also didn’t realise that those who sit in Parliament Square and protest against the government were beyond criticism. Some might well see any action that serves to undermine our boys in the field in times of war as treacherous… And might I add that when you look at the foul-mouthed garbage you’ve spouted here against Blair I would have to ask what’s going on in your sick mind: just think about what you’ve written. Is it meant to be funny? It’s not, I can tell you. Maybe you’re a genuine psycho, and this stuff really is a fantasy that turns around in your mind. I hope not for your sake.

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]]> By: Psimon http://www.boris-johnson.com/2006/04/27/labours-law-and-order/comment-page-4/#comment-10500 Psimon Thu, 11 May 2006 12:21:02 +0000 http://80.82.117.242/?p=266#comment-10500 Manxcat: The MPs that voted for the war did so as they were fed altered intelligence (lies, in other words) by Bliar. The tories WON the last general election in England, but Liebore remain in power due to ridiculous Scottish constituencies consisting of 30 or 40 drunken english-hating Scottish idiots. And a bullet in the B*ll*cks is almost certainly the only thing that would ever get through to Bliar... As to "who cares about Brian Haw Haw": I'll assume your pointless insult of his name was a typo. Or are you really the inbred idiot you appear after such a ridiculous statement? Manxcat:

The MPs that voted for the war did so as they were fed altered intelligence (lies, in other words) by Bliar.

The tories WON the last general election in England, but Liebore remain in power due to ridiculous Scottish constituencies consisting of 30 or 40 drunken english-hating Scottish idiots.

And a bullet in the B*ll*cks is almost certainly the only thing that would ever get through to Bliar…

As to “who cares about Brian Haw Haw”: I’ll assume your pointless insult of his name was a typo. Or are you really the inbred idiot you appear after such a ridiculous statement?

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