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		<title>By: raincoaster</title>
		<link>http://www.boris-johnson.com/2006/04/04/spring/comment-page-2/#comment-9850</link>
		<dc:creator>raincoaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Europe had always had closed borders, there wouldn&#039;t be any Europeans!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Europe had always had closed borders, there wouldn&#8217;t be any Europeans!</p>
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		<title>By: Psimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Psimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;&lt;b&gt;Jaq said:&lt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;&lt;i&gt;It would be far better if &#039;Europe&#039; got together (isn&#039;t that what all this was for?) And closed ALL the borders so that Africa et al sorted their own problems out like we all had to do.&lt;&lt;/i&gt;
If only Europe hadn&#039;t got together to CAUSE the problems in the first place...

;o)

Psi
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>< <b>Jaq said:< </b><br />
< <i>It would be far better if &#8216;Europe&#8217; got together (isn&#8217;t that what all this was for?) And closed ALL the borders so that Africa et al sorted their own problems out like we all had to do.< </i><br />
If only Europe hadn&#8217;t got together to CAUSE the problems in the first place&#8230;</p>
<p>;o)</p>
<p>Psi</p>
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		<title>By: Jaq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 15:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And some of them drown? Not the best answer to immigration control methinks. It would be far better if &#039;Europe&#039; got together (isn&#039;t that what all this was for?) And closed ALL the borders so that Africa et al sorted their own problems out like we all had to do.

Mac: &quot;Maybe there might even be a break in the clouds , through which that ray of sunshine ,John Prescott ,can illuminate the darkest corners of our overcrowded and sometimes silly laws&quot; - you can always be relied on to tell a joke.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And some of them drown? Not the best answer to immigration control methinks. It would be far better if &#8216;Europe&#8217; got together (isn&#8217;t that what all this was for?) And closed ALL the borders so that Africa et al sorted their own problems out like we all had to do.</p>
<p>Mac: &#8220;Maybe there might even be a break in the clouds , through which that ray of sunshine ,John Prescott ,can illuminate the darkest corners of our overcrowded and sometimes silly laws&#8221; &#8211; you can always be relied on to tell a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Ramsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Ramsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 14:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Idlex

So what was all that fuss about people illegally trying to get across the Channel?

I have no figures (nor indeed a figure to talk about) but I believe that the vast majority of those in the Parisian outer estates are there by dint of colonial connections such as Algeria and have been for some time.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Idlex</p>
<p>So what was all that fuss about people illegally trying to get across the Channel?</p>
<p>I have no figures (nor indeed a figure to talk about) but I believe that the vast majority of those in the Parisian outer estates are there by dint of colonial connections such as Algeria and have been for some time.</p>
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		<title>By: idlex</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 13:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But why don&#039;t they stop at France or Spain?&lt;/i&gt; (Jack R)

But they do! They do!

In case you haven&#039;t noticed, France has been recently rocked by violence in largely immigrant populations with very high unemployment levels. It&#039;s a considerable crisis.

Spain also has a big problem with illegal immigrants from North Africa. They come in boats of every description, and many of them drown.

To the best of my knowledge, none of them are temporarily in France and Spain en route to Britain.

As best I understand it, this is a general problem across the whole of Europe, not just Britain. I remember reading last year about a boatload of illegal immigrants who arrived in Italy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But why don&#8217;t they stop at France or Spain?</i> (Jack R)</p>
<p>But they do! They do!</p>
<p>In case you haven&#8217;t noticed, France has been recently rocked by violence in largely immigrant populations with very high unemployment levels. It&#8217;s a considerable crisis.</p>
<p>Spain also has a big problem with illegal immigrants from North Africa. They come in boats of every description, and many of them drown.</p>
<p>To the best of my knowledge, none of them are temporarily in France and Spain en route to Britain.</p>
<p>As best I understand it, this is a general problem across the whole of Europe, not just Britain. I remember reading last year about a boatload of illegal immigrants who arrived in Italy.</p>
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		<title>By: Macarnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macarnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest in the downhill career to perdition of that would be well intentioned, but woefully wrong thinking, thoughtless shower of PC worshippers, which is our Government.

People, newly made citizens of a European country ,( not the UK ),have decided that is is better to live here , ( as I presume they originally thought it would be better to live in Holland than in whichever country in Africa they originated from ), neither of the two totally separate people concerned, both complete witb offspring,have no intention of working for a living ,( not self confessed , but loudly heralded ), are being given council houses, in preference to natives of the borough,(or town), of Barnet, who have been patiently waiting in a queue for council houses  over 18,000 strong.

Even the fat controller himself has raised his voice in protest, as I, hardly daring to believe it, read in my yesterday&#039;s morning rag.

Rules for EU citizens state quite clearly that free transition across borders in the EU is guaranteed, and no permission to stay is necessary&quot; IF THEY ARE WORKING, OR ARE WEALTHY ENOUGH TO LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES&quot;. There is not, as far as I understand, the choice of cherry-picking the easiest touch.

Maybe there might even be a break in the clouds , through which that ray of sunshine , John  Prescott ,can illuminate the darkest corners of our overcrowded and sometimes silly laws.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest in the downhill career to perdition of that would be well intentioned, but woefully wrong thinking, thoughtless shower of PC worshippers, which is our Government.</p>
<p>People, newly made citizens of a European country ,( not the UK ),have decided that is is better to live here , ( as I presume they originally thought it would be better to live in Holland than in whichever country in Africa they originated from ), neither of the two totally separate people concerned, both complete witb offspring,have no intention of working for a living ,( not self confessed , but loudly heralded ), are being given council houses, in preference to natives of the borough,(or town), of Barnet, who have been patiently waiting in a queue for council houses  over 18,000 strong.</p>
<p>Even the fat controller himself has raised his voice in protest, as I, hardly daring to believe it, read in my yesterday&#8217;s morning rag.</p>
<p>Rules for EU citizens state quite clearly that free transition across borders in the EU is guaranteed, and no permission to stay is necessary&#8221; IF THEY ARE WORKING, OR ARE WEALTHY ENOUGH TO LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES&#8221;. There is not, as far as I understand, the choice of cherry-picking the easiest touch.</p>
<p>Maybe there might even be a break in the clouds , through which that ray of sunshine , John  Prescott ,can illuminate the darkest corners of our overcrowded and sometimes silly laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Ramsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Ramsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 10:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loath as I am to praise foreigners like Yorshiremen I must say that Leeds has a fine town hall - too good for the likes of them!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loath as I am to praise foreigners like Yorshiremen I must say that Leeds has a fine town hall &#8211; too good for the likes of them!</p>
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		<title>By: raincoaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>raincoaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had a group of people, originally from India, apply for refugee status. But they&#039;d actually been living in Germany for some time, gotten jobs, etc etc. Canada has a law that you have to apply from the country you&#039;ve last been living in, and that was, in this case, Germany. Say what you will about the Germans, it&#039;s been some time since anyone could make a legitimate claim of being a refugee from Germany. I don&#039;t know whether we sent them to Germany or India, but we did indeed deny the refugee claim.

I just don&#039;t get it. You think Leeds is bad, relative to Goa or Amman or Marseilles or wherever. Have you ever spent a winter in Winnipeg? At the Hong Kong handover, quite a number of forward-thinking people bought (sight unseen) houses in Canada, often in Vancouver, but equally often in far less expensive places like  Edmonton, Winnipeg, and Regina. You may consult your atlas and imagine what happened once winter set in; I can tell you that the very next summer, housing prices in Vancouver went up again as the new Prairie pioneers sold up and moved to Vancouver&#039;s warmer climate.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had a group of people, originally from India, apply for refugee status. But they&#8217;d actually been living in Germany for some time, gotten jobs, etc etc. Canada has a law that you have to apply from the country you&#8217;ve last been living in, and that was, in this case, Germany. Say what you will about the Germans, it&#8217;s been some time since anyone could make a legitimate claim of being a refugee from Germany. I don&#8217;t know whether we sent them to Germany or India, but we did indeed deny the refugee claim.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t get it. You think Leeds is bad, relative to Goa or Amman or Marseilles or wherever. Have you ever spent a winter in Winnipeg? At the Hong Kong handover, quite a number of forward-thinking people bought (sight unseen) houses in Canada, often in Vancouver, but equally often in far less expensive places like  Edmonton, Winnipeg, and Regina. You may consult your atlas and imagine what happened once winter set in; I can tell you that the very next summer, housing prices in Vancouver went up again as the new Prairie pioneers sold up and moved to Vancouver&#8217;s warmer climate.</p>
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		<title>By: jaq</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just don&#039;t understand it - we have a perfectly useful police force and Customs service, we have perfectly good laws in this country, then when Blair comes to power he ignores everything and passes new laws replacing perfectly good ones and trashes the police force and customs service and brings in some petty FBI type State police. He&#039;s a George Bush wannabe isn&#039;t he? trying to change a country that isn&#039;t as big as Texas into little America. He&#039;s SUCH a jerk. He&#039;s such a dangerous jerk.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just don&#8217;t understand it &#8211; we have a perfectly useful police force and Customs service, we have perfectly good laws in this country, then when Blair comes to power he ignores everything and passes new laws replacing perfectly good ones and trashes the police force and customs service and brings in some petty FBI type State police. He&#8217;s a George Bush wannabe isn&#8217;t he? trying to change a country that isn&#8217;t as big as Texas into little America. He&#8217;s SUCH a jerk. He&#8217;s such a dangerous jerk.</p>
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		<title>By: jaq</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Jack says, if they are fleeing then why flee past perfectly fine countries to get to ours? I&#039;ll tell you why, because the door is open and so is the wallet.

raincoaster - Thatcher was pro-Europe but quickly saw the error of her ways and won a rebate which Bliar gave away!!! Unbelievable. The borders have NEVER been so open because the Customs service has never been so hamstrung or inneffective because of.....BLAIR. (can you tell I&#039;m not a fan of his??)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Jack says, if they are fleeing then why flee past perfectly fine countries to get to ours? I&#8217;ll tell you why, because the door is open and so is the wallet.</p>
<p>raincoaster &#8211; Thatcher was pro-Europe but quickly saw the error of her ways and won a rebate which Bliar gave away!!! Unbelievable. The borders have NEVER been so open because the Customs service has never been so hamstrung or inneffective because of&#8230;..BLAIR. (can you tell I&#8217;m not a fan of his??)</p>
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