Are you saying that no representative of Iraqi intelligence was ever involved with Al Queda representatives in Malaysia in planning terrorist actions? That’s what I would like to know.

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Dearie me – using an ad hominem argument isn’t much help. People don’t use that in rational debate. It is simply not good enough to say because George Tenet got something wrong that he is wrong all the time or because you don’t like the National Review, it can’t tbe right.

If we are going down the ad hominem track, I would point out that Melanie Phillips – for whom I suspect a lot of people here have a great deal of respect – is also convinced of the Saddam/Al Queda link. I hope the new Congressional hearings will begin to clarify some of the evidence.
For me the involvement in the Al Queda planning meeting in Malaysia is a key piece of evidence and I haven;t heard that queried anywhere.

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You’re quoting me *nationalreview.com*???

And George Tenet in October 2002???

I’m sorry but I can’t take your “evidence” remotely seriously. Let’s leave it at that.

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Further to previous posts, here is an excerpt from an article by Andrew McCarthy at nationalreview.com which summarises the main evidence for Saddam-Al Queda co-operation. The first I think is the most important item.
I would also add something not mentioned – the fact that Iraqi TV responded extremely quickly to the Twin Towers massacre – within half an hour they were broadcasting celebratory songs.
This is highly unusual in the Middle East. IN order not to find yourself on the wrong side, with an event of this magnitude, editors would play safe and not come out with something so blatant. But the fact that it happened so quickly suggests to me that teh Iraqi regime had prior knowledge and were acting on that basis.

“Ahmed Hikmat Shakir

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Jack,

Generally taken to mean “laughing out loud” and often overly used in emails to indicate amusement. G — which I use as well — means a big grin. (g being a little one).

“I meant ‘only’ as somehow denigrating we Jacks. The other one is the younger and smarter Jack but he’s probably not as good looking as me”

Goody! May we have a link to a pic?
VBG (very big grin)

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I am of the opinion that the use of the word ‘Islamophobia’ as a pejorative is not apposite, since the description ‘irrational’ is not correct. It is indeed rational, and praiseworthy, for one to wish to preserve one’s way of life against real, as well as perceived, threats to destroy it. There have been many verbal attacks on our way of life, not least by fanatic Moslem clerics, threatening the downfall of British democracy, (with all its faults at least our own), by any means available, followed by the setting up of the undemocratic rule of foreign religious leaders
The most recent of these is the debarred Moslem cleric, now living in Lebanon , spewing gall on the British Nation, whilst his brood are being housed ,watered and fed here by the very hands he wishes to cut off. .

At last the Government, till now ignoring the electorate, has started to redress the imbalance, by doing something concrete to rid us of these troublesome preachers.( At least there is a start)

The fear that the above vision of Hell might come to pass is not irrational. Islamic extremism finds many willing ears in which to pour its poison, witness the British born suicide bombers.

Moderate Muslims will wish to join in the rejection of the threat of civil unrest: they have started to build a past here , and have much to contribute to the future

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I always thought three jacks quite a good hand Mac

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This from the News Max site:

“Congressional hearings coming this fall into revelations by the military intelligence group Able Danger could spotlight other evidence overlooked by the 9/11 Commission: including a March 2001 report suggesting that Osama bin Laden was working with Iraqi intelligence operatives in Germany at a time when Mohamed Atta and two other 9/11 hijack team leaders were living in Hamburg.

On March 16, 2001, the Paris-based newspaper Al Watan al Arabi reported:

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“Two Iraqis were arrested in Germany, charged with spying for Baghdad. The arrests came in the wake of reports that Iraq was reorganizing the external branches of its intelligence service and that it had drawn up a plan to strike at US interests around the world through a network of alliances with extremist fundamentalist parties.”
Al Watan said that German intelligence was investigating “serious indications of cooperation between Iraq and bin Ladin.* The matter was considered so important that a special team of CIA and FBI agents was sent to Germany to interrogate the two Iraqi spies.”

The pre-9/11 Al Watan report continued:

“German authorities were surprised by the arrest of the two Iraqi agents and the discovery of Iraqi intelligence activities in several German cities. German authorities, acting on CIA recommendations, had been focused on monitoring the activities of Islamic groups linked to bin Ladin.”

A timeline established by U.S. intelligence shows that three out of four 9/11 hijack team leaders, Mr. Atta, Marwan al Shehhi and Ziad Jarrah, lived in Hamburg from Nov. 1998 thru Feb. 2001.

The Weekly Standard, which covered the Al Watan report this week in a story by Captain’s Quarter’s blogger Ed Morrissey noted:

“Despite this contemporaneous report about the nature of the German arrests and the involvement of American counterintelligence officials in the investigation, not a word of the affair appears in the 9/11 Commission’s final report.”

This fall’s hearings will undoubtedly begin with questions about why both the 9/11 Commission and the Clinton administration dismissed Able Danger’s stunning identification of Mohamed Atta inside the U.S.

But any congressional investigation that doesn’t explore other overlooked bombshells – including indications of possible Iraqi involvement in the 9/11 attacks – will leave even more important questions unanswered.

* Al Watan spelling”

Not saying the above is conclusive but it is one indication. I’ll take a look at teh Senate documents again.

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I menat ‘only’ as somehow denigrating we Jacks. The other one is the younger and smarter Jack but he’s probably not as good looking as me.

I’m going to regret this but what does LOL mean?

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