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		<title>By: Macarnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macarnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 16:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dee: your indignation about the unfairness of all those things you mentioned has been well and truly predated elsewhere on this site, and the points you highlight, indeed even more forcefully argued. look in topics previously argued.

Not only are we , at some time , possibly soon, going to be the milchkuh to the Celtic fringes, but it looks as if the present incumbent of No 10  is going to yield our rebate to the ravenous , anti Anglo-saxon hordes of  inefficient French agriculturists. Take into consideration that London now has the Games for 2012,with its resultat appetite for even more of our money, and I see my desire to return to the land of my much maligned forefathers really taking priority.

And one more thing , how come that Scotland and Wales escape the worst ravages of Global warming? ;-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dee: your indignation about the unfairness of all those things you mentioned has been well and truly predated elsewhere on this site, and the points you highlight, indeed even more forcefully argued. look in topics previously argued.</p>
<p>Not only are we , at some time , possibly soon, going to be the milchkuh to the Celtic fringes, but it looks as if the present incumbent of No 10  is going to yield our rebate to the ravenous , anti Anglo-saxon hordes of  inefficient French agriculturists. Take into consideration that London now has the Games for 2012,with its resultat appetite for even more of our money, and I see my desire to return to the land of my much maligned forefathers really taking priority.</p>
<p>And one more thing , how come that Scotland and Wales escape the worst ravages of Global warming? <img src='http://www.boris-johnson.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dee</title>
		<link>http://www.boris-johnson.com/2005/06/29/id-cards-vote-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4684</link>
		<dc:creator>Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 11:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like very much to know exactly how supporters of the id cards think they could possibly work when they legislation applies fully only to the residents of England?

The Scottish Parliament has already said it will not participate fully with this Big Brother scheme.  Everything devolved to Scotland will not be included, which is just about everything, including the NHS!

The Welsh Assembly has recently announced that the top up fees will not apply to Wales and that ONLY English students will be required to pay them.  No doubt they will follow the same line as Scotland, when it comes to id cards, as well.

So exactly WHY is England the main target for these things?  WHY would an English MP anywhere support this discrimination against their constituents?  If you&#039;re a red blooded English MP, get the ****&#039;s told.

And Boris, please, how on earth would the Tory line of &quot;English votes for English matters&quot; redress the balance for England on this one?  You know that only an English Parliament can stop the Scottish Raj treating up this way!

If that doesn&#039;t bother anyone, ask yourself why only the English are having their dental fees doubled?  In Scotland, dental check ups for everyone will be totally free, along with eye checks!  And in the same year, all prescriptin for the Welsh will be free as well.  The price hikes only applies to the English!

England is in the quagmire.  The stealth taxes will have to increase even further to fund the excesses of the celtic fringe.  Its not right. Is fair play an English value only?   Will no one stand up for us?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like very much to know exactly how supporters of the id cards think they could possibly work when they legislation applies fully only to the residents of England?</p>
<p>The Scottish Parliament has already said it will not participate fully with this Big Brother scheme.  Everything devolved to Scotland will not be included, which is just about everything, including the NHS!</p>
<p>The Welsh Assembly has recently announced that the top up fees will not apply to Wales and that ONLY English students will be required to pay them.  No doubt they will follow the same line as Scotland, when it comes to id cards, as well.</p>
<p>So exactly WHY is England the main target for these things?  WHY would an English MP anywhere support this discrimination against their constituents?  If you&#8217;re a red blooded English MP, get the ****&#8217;s told.</p>
<p>And Boris, please, how on earth would the Tory line of &#8220;English votes for English matters&#8221; redress the balance for England on this one?  You know that only an English Parliament can stop the Scottish Raj treating up this way!</p>
<p>If that doesn&#8217;t bother anyone, ask yourself why only the English are having their dental fees doubled?  In Scotland, dental check ups for everyone will be totally free, along with eye checks!  And in the same year, all prescriptin for the Welsh will be free as well.  The price hikes only applies to the English!</p>
<p>England is in the quagmire.  The stealth taxes will have to increase even further to fund the excesses of the celtic fringe.  Its not right. Is fair play an English value only?   Will no one stand up for us?</p>
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		<title>By: Nora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I was rather amused to hear that Irish citizens - who do not need a passport to enter the UK, thanks to long-standing border agreements, will also not be required to carry a UK ID card. Government officials are currently &quot;urgently looking into this&quot;:-

This makes no sense at all to me. If Scaryduck is talking about people in Northern Ireland (given his reference to the IRA) they are citizens of the UK, obviously. So they would presumably have to carry UK ID cards.

Citizens of the Republic could not possibly be required to carry UK ID cards as they are Irish citizens. Period!

So what exactly was your point, Scaryduck?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I was rather amused to hear that Irish citizens &#8211; who do not need a passport to enter the UK, thanks to long-standing border agreements, will also not be required to carry a UK ID card. Government officials are currently &#8220;urgently looking into this&#8221;:-</p>
<p>This makes no sense at all to me. If Scaryduck is talking about people in Northern Ireland (given his reference to the IRA) they are citizens of the UK, obviously. So they would presumably have to carry UK ID cards.</p>
<p>Citizens of the Republic could not possibly be required to carry UK ID cards as they are Irish citizens. Period!</p>
<p>So what exactly was your point, Scaryduck?</p>
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		<title>By: melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 12:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point gallantly taken Mac
and good point field
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point gallantly taken Mac<br />
and good point field</p>
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		<title>By: Macarnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macarnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 09:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point taken Field:  however  the naivety is inherent in the laxity of the system which allows two illegal acts to nullify each other.The very laxity of our &#039;honour&#039; based system is well known in such circles, and makes us the target for illegal immigration. Once they are here, under the present system, it needs political dynamite to shift them.

If there are no suspects of a crime, there can be no prosecutions.  Today&#039;s technology should make it easy to form a proper data base of all inhabitants of a dwelling; any dwelling.This list should have the ability to be updated as and when the occupancy changes, and should be electronically cross referenced and checked at every electoral roll update.  Any unusual or unregistered  differences should, before the election date, be investigated. Orwellian ? I think not: when one is experiencing such troubled times, such measures should be in force: goodness knows, according to Gordon, there are more than enough civil service personnel to do this at a trot.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point taken Field:  however  the naivety is inherent in the laxity of the system which allows two illegal acts to nullify each other.The very laxity of our &#8216;honour&#8217; based system is well known in such circles, and makes us the target for illegal immigration. Once they are here, under the present system, it needs political dynamite to shift them.</p>
<p>If there are no suspects of a crime, there can be no prosecutions.  Today&#8217;s technology should make it easy to form a proper data base of all inhabitants of a dwelling; any dwelling.This list should have the ability to be updated as and when the occupancy changes, and should be electronically cross referenced and checked at every electoral roll update.  Any unusual or unregistered  differences should, before the election date, be investigated. Orwellian ? I think not: when one is experiencing such troubled times, such measures should be in force: goodness knows, according to Gordon, there are more than enough civil service personnel to do this at a trot.</p>
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		<title>By: field</title>
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		<dc:creator>field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 08:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Macarnie -

Think you are being slighlty naive. All you need to do to get registered is fill in the form that is sent round each year.  There is no cross-checking of the forms against other data.

You get a lot less hassle as an illegal immirgant if you simply fill in the form illegally (implicitly claiming to be a UK citizen) than you do if tried not to fill it in because then people would keep coming back and asking questions.

Boris probably knows all this as an election campaigner.  It would be good if he took up the issue and called into questino the legitimacy of this government which already benefits from the fact that each Labour vote is worth about 25% more than a Tory vote (because of smaller inner city constituencies).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Macarnie -</p>
<p>Think you are being slighlty naive. All you need to do to get registered is fill in the form that is sent round each year.  There is no cross-checking of the forms against other data.</p>
<p>You get a lot less hassle as an illegal immirgant if you simply fill in the form illegally (implicitly claiming to be a UK citizen) than you do if tried not to fill it in because then people would keep coming back and asking questions.</p>
<p>Boris probably knows all this as an election campaigner.  It would be good if he took up the issue and called into questino the legitimacy of this government which already benefits from the fact that each Labour vote is worth about 25% more than a Tory vote (because of smaller inner city constituencies).</p>
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		<title>By: colin whyles</title>
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		<dc:creator>colin whyles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2005 11:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I thought they&#039;d already told us that a country of 65,000,000 people would have no problem absorbing this number of immigrants? So what is the issue if they are illegal? It is most probably that they escape paying tax. That is this Government&#039;s chief concern. They are obsessed with collecting tax. Then they spend it on bombs.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I thought they&#8217;d already told us that a country of 65,000,000 people would have no problem absorbing this number of immigrants? So what is the issue if they are illegal? It is most probably that they escape paying tax. That is this Government&#8217;s chief concern. They are obsessed with collecting tax. Then they spend it on bombs.</p>
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		<title>By: Macarnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macarnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2005 16:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If that should prove to be the case, and I don&#039;t doubt it, surely there must be some way which bars anyone from voting until a minimum time has elapsed since their being in the community. I would have thought that only bona fide UK residents would really be eligible to vote, in either local or general elections. On the other hand , how naive can one get? It must be to the ruling party&#039;s benefit to cast a blind eye, since the newcomer, legitimate or not , will not want to change the status quo, since even a mad dog wouldn&#039;t want to bite the hand etc.Half a million illegals .  A city underground, and not on any map.What a nirvana for the jetsam of the world.  And people still talk of 5 loaves and 2 fishes.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that should prove to be the case, and I don&#8217;t doubt it, surely there must be some way which bars anyone from voting until a minimum time has elapsed since their being in the community. I would have thought that only bona fide UK residents would really be eligible to vote, in either local or general elections. On the other hand , how naive can one get? It must be to the ruling party&#8217;s benefit to cast a blind eye, since the newcomer, legitimate or not , will not want to change the status quo, since even a mad dog wouldn&#8217;t want to bite the hand etc.Half a million illegals .  A city underground, and not on any map.What a nirvana for the jetsam of the world.  And people still talk of 5 loaves and 2 fishes.</p>
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		<title>By: field</title>
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		<dc:creator>field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2005 10:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The goverment is now using the 500,000 estimate for illegal immigrnats in this country (&quot;oops sorry we can estimate after all =- forget what we said during the election campaign&quot;)to back their ID card scam.

But this raises a serious issue.

How many of those 500,000 voted at the recent election?

It is a mistake to think that illegal immigrants don&#039;t register to vote. They know it is much LESS hassle to register (and implicitly claim to be a UK citizen) than it is not to fill in the form.

And it is well known that most recent immigrants tend to vote for Labour or Lib Dems rather than Tory.

And it is well known that the vast majority of illegal immigrants are concentrated in London and the South East.

And it is well known there are a number of key marginals there that the Tories jsut failed to win.

If only say one in three illegal immigrants is registered on the electoral roll that means that
the Tories probably had something like 50,000 illegal votes cast against them. Spread over say
10 key marginals that could be 5,000 votes in each.

The spread is probably in reality slightly thinner but you get the idea.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The goverment is now using the 500,000 estimate for illegal immigrnats in this country (&#8220;oops sorry we can estimate after all =- forget what we said during the election campaign&#8221;)to back their ID card scam.</p>
<p>But this raises a serious issue.</p>
<p>How many of those 500,000 voted at the recent election?</p>
<p>It is a mistake to think that illegal immigrants don&#8217;t register to vote. They know it is much LESS hassle to register (and implicitly claim to be a UK citizen) than it is not to fill in the form.</p>
<p>And it is well known that most recent immigrants tend to vote for Labour or Lib Dems rather than Tory.</p>
<p>And it is well known that the vast majority of illegal immigrants are concentrated in London and the South East.</p>
<p>And it is well known there are a number of key marginals there that the Tories jsut failed to win.</p>
<p>If only say one in three illegal immigrants is registered on the electoral roll that means that<br />
the Tories probably had something like 50,000 illegal votes cast against them. Spread over say<br />
10 key marginals that could be 5,000 votes in each.</p>
<p>The spread is probably in reality slightly thinner but you get the idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*bows*

thank you Prophet
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<p>thank you Prophet</p>
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